Twilight of the Sex Goddess: The Contradictions
Marilyn Monroe, that is. Not The Almighty Heidi.

One thing that marks the death of Marilyn Monroe as bizarre is the conflicting stories of witnesses about what they did, what they knew, and what they discovered the night of her death. But that’s not all they dispute. They dispute many of the other facets of the timeline presented in the previous post. Before arguing on behalf of one conclusion or another, I’d like to present the competing and contradictory eyewitness accounts of her last week.
The Official Story
The version of events presented by housekeeper Eunice Murray (left), Monroe’s personal physician Dr. Hyman Engleberg and her psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson is generally regarded as the official one.
Monroe had become despondent over a romantic breakup (presumably with Robert Kennedy), and his refusal to return her phone calls. She also stressed over the delays in the filming of her next movie Something’s Got to Give. She had become somewhat paranoid about her associates, accusing them of being either Kennedy plants or Mafia spies.
Murray said that she went to bed around 10:00pm on the night of August 4, 1962. She passed by Monroe’s bedroom at 3:00am the following morning, and saw the lights on under the crack between the door and the floor. She tried to open the door, but it was locked. Fearing the worst, she called both Dr. Engleberg and Dr. Greenson. Greenson forced entry through her bedroom window and found Monroe stretched out nude on the bed with the telephone in her hand. Both he and Engleberg examined her, but quickly realized that she had died. They called the police at 4:25am.
Because of her history of suicide attempts, the strain of her filming schedule, and the amount of Nembutal in her system (enough to kill ten people), Los Angels County Medical Examiner Dr. Theodore Curphey ruled her death a suicide.

Norman Jeffries and James Hall’s Version
Jeffries, Murray’s son-in-law, had been installing a new kitchen floor at Monroe’s place that week. He drove Murray, who had spent the previous night at her own apartment, to the house. They arrived at 8:00am on August 4, 1962. Monroe came into the kitchen briefly for a glass of grapefruit juice at about 8:30, met with a representative of Playboy at 9:30am, then went back to bed before being aroused awake for good by Newcomb at 12:00am
At about 1:00, Murray asked for her son-in-law's help in moving her belongings because Monroe had just fired her. Murray called Dr. Greenson immediately. According to Jeffries, however, Greenson didn’t arrive until 4:30pm. Jeffries also said that Robert Kennedy and Peter Lawford arrived around 3:00pm. Lawford told them to get lost while he and Kennedy spoke to Monroe privately. The attorney general and his brother-in-law left around 4:00pm.
At. 9:45 pm, Kennedy returned with two men in tow. The Attorney General ordered him and Murray to leave the premises. They then went to the house next door to stay, and returned at 10:30pm. They heard Monroe’s poodle Maf (short for Mafia—the dog was a present from Frank Sinatra) barking near the guest cottage, where they found Monroe unconscious, but still alive, so they called paramedics.
Newcomb and Lawford arrived before the ambulance came. Paramedics James Hall and Murray Liebowitz claimed that they saw Newcomb and Lawford at the scene. Moments after they got there, Dr. Greenson pulled up. Thirty minutes later Dr. Engleberg joined them. Hall tried to inject a shot of adrenaline directly into Monroe’s heart, but struck a rib instead. Monroe began to revive on her own, however. At that point, according to Hall, Greenson injected her breast with an unknown drug (perhaps chloral hydrate, which slows the metabolism of Nembutal). She died shortly thereafter. Hall and Jeffries then moved the body to the bedroom, while an unnamed plainclothes West Los Angeles Police detective instructed them on how to make the death look like a suicide.
Peter Lawford’s Version
Despite their recent falling out, Sinatra loaned Lawford (left) his private jet to fly out to Cal-Neva Lodge the previous weekend. According to him, he spent time there with Joe DiMaggio Sr. and Monroe. He and Monroe returned together on Sinatra’s plane.
Lawford said he didn’t have much contact with her the following week. After eating dinner with Newcomb and Joe Naar at his house, he called Monroe at about 7:45 to invite her over for a party. She said she didn’t feel like coming, and cryptically added, “Say goodbye to the President….You’re a nice guy.”
The cryptic remark didn’t sit well with Lawford, so he called his manager and friend Milt Ebbens for advice. Ebbens told him not to go to Monroe’s house if she were suicidal because that would look bad for his brothers-in-law were he to find her dead. Ebbens instead called Monroe’s attorney Milton Rudin, who then called the house at 8:30. Murray answered, and went to check on Monroe, who said she felt fine.
Still, Lawford worried. He called again around 10:30pm, but both telephone lines were busy. So he called Naar, who had left the party early, and asked him to check on Monroe. Before Naar had a chance to leave, he received another call from Milton Rudin telling him that a trip to Monroe’s house “wouldn’t be necessary.”
In 1982, Lawford gave reporters what he thought would be a deathbed interview (he actually passed away two years later). He denied that Monroe had had an affair with either John Kennedy or Robert Kennedy. He further insisted that he did not visit Monroe on August 4, 1962.

Ken Hunter’s Version
Paramedic Ken Hunter said that he responded to a call at 12305 North Helena Drive shortly after 12:00 midnight on August 5, 1962. He found Monroe in her bed comatose, but still alive. He and his partner transported her to Santa Monica Hospital where she died shortly after her arrival.

Elizabeth Pollard’s Version
Pollard claimed to have seen Robert Kennedy enter Monroe’s house at 3:00pm on August 4, 1962. While playing cards with several friends later that evening, she saw him return with two other men just as the sun had set (approximately 8:00pm PDT). According to her, one man carried a bag similar to the kind that doctors use.
Jose Bolanos’s Version
Bolanos and Monroe both claimed to have met in February 1962 in Acapulco (Mexico). They fell in love, and met twice after that: once in New York, and again in Los Angeles, where he accompanied her to the Golden Globe Awards show. According to him, the two planned to marry sometime in 1963.
Bolanos called her at 9:30pm on the night of August 4, 1962, and told him a number of secrets that he described as “shocking.” About twenty minutes into their conversation, she told him that someone was at the door. She put down the phone, but never returned.
Fred Otash’s Version
During her final week of life, Monroe allegedly met with private investigator Fred Otash to ask for his help in debugging her house. Ostensibly, she wanted to see if she could lure Robert Kennedy there so that she could blackmail him. Otash didn’t tell her, however, that he had already done the actual bugging of her house and wiretapping of her telephone with help from Jimmy Hoffa associate Bernie Spindel. A chain of unknown persons paid him for the job, so Otash never knew for sure the actual identity of his client. Nevertheless, he speculated that either the Mafia, Hoffa, or both wanted to blackmail the Kennedys.
While monitoring the house on August 4, Otash recorded a heated argument between Monroe and Robert Kennedy at approximately 3:30pm. “Where is it?” Kennedy thundered repeatedly, as the clacking of closet hangers, and the opening of drawers loomed in the background. Intermittently, the voice of a second man appeared, but the volume of his voice was too soft to make out actual words.

Sam Giancana (lesser)’s Version
In his book Double Cross: The Explosive, Inside Story of the Mobster Who Controlled America (co-written by Chuck Giancana, the elder Sam's little brother), Giancana said that his godfather Sam put out a hit on Monroe. The purpose was to blackmail Robert Kennedy by tying him romantically to Monroe, and then leaving evidence that would implicate him in her murder. Working with a fellow mobster, Johnny Roselli, they began to set up the wet job during Monroe’s stay at the Cal-Neva Lodge. They hired professional hitmen Anthony Spilotro and “Milwaukee” Phil Alderisio, who boasted to the younger Giancanas that he and his “boys” had given Marilyn a “poisoned suppository.”
Richard Slatzer’s Version
Slatzer (pictured left with Monroe) claimed to have been a close friend of Marilyn’s since 1945. He also claimed that he married her in 1952. During the week of her death, she allegedly showed him her diary, which detailed her affairs with President John Kennedy and his brother Robert. On the day of her death, he said he went to Monroe’s house, where Murray served them hamburgers for lunch. As they ate, Monroe fired Pat Newcomb, who refused to leave.

One thing that marks the death of Marilyn Monroe as bizarre is the conflicting stories of witnesses about what they did, what they knew, and what they discovered the night of her death. But that’s not all they dispute. They dispute many of the other facets of the timeline presented in the previous post. Before arguing on behalf of one conclusion or another, I’d like to present the competing and contradictory eyewitness accounts of her last week.
The Official Story
The version of events presented by housekeeper Eunice Murray (left), Monroe’s personal physician Dr. Hyman Engleberg and her psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson is generally regarded as the official one.Monroe had become despondent over a romantic breakup (presumably with Robert Kennedy), and his refusal to return her phone calls. She also stressed over the delays in the filming of her next movie Something’s Got to Give. She had become somewhat paranoid about her associates, accusing them of being either Kennedy plants or Mafia spies.
Murray said that she went to bed around 10:00pm on the night of August 4, 1962. She passed by Monroe’s bedroom at 3:00am the following morning, and saw the lights on under the crack between the door and the floor. She tried to open the door, but it was locked. Fearing the worst, she called both Dr. Engleberg and Dr. Greenson. Greenson forced entry through her bedroom window and found Monroe stretched out nude on the bed with the telephone in her hand. Both he and Engleberg examined her, but quickly realized that she had died. They called the police at 4:25am.
Because of her history of suicide attempts, the strain of her filming schedule, and the amount of Nembutal in her system (enough to kill ten people), Los Angels County Medical Examiner Dr. Theodore Curphey ruled her death a suicide.

Norman Jeffries and James Hall’s Version
Jeffries, Murray’s son-in-law, had been installing a new kitchen floor at Monroe’s place that week. He drove Murray, who had spent the previous night at her own apartment, to the house. They arrived at 8:00am on August 4, 1962. Monroe came into the kitchen briefly for a glass of grapefruit juice at about 8:30, met with a representative of Playboy at 9:30am, then went back to bed before being aroused awake for good by Newcomb at 12:00am
At about 1:00, Murray asked for her son-in-law's help in moving her belongings because Monroe had just fired her. Murray called Dr. Greenson immediately. According to Jeffries, however, Greenson didn’t arrive until 4:30pm. Jeffries also said that Robert Kennedy and Peter Lawford arrived around 3:00pm. Lawford told them to get lost while he and Kennedy spoke to Monroe privately. The attorney general and his brother-in-law left around 4:00pm.
At. 9:45 pm, Kennedy returned with two men in tow. The Attorney General ordered him and Murray to leave the premises. They then went to the house next door to stay, and returned at 10:30pm. They heard Monroe’s poodle Maf (short for Mafia—the dog was a present from Frank Sinatra) barking near the guest cottage, where they found Monroe unconscious, but still alive, so they called paramedics.
Newcomb and Lawford arrived before the ambulance came. Paramedics James Hall and Murray Liebowitz claimed that they saw Newcomb and Lawford at the scene. Moments after they got there, Dr. Greenson pulled up. Thirty minutes later Dr. Engleberg joined them. Hall tried to inject a shot of adrenaline directly into Monroe’s heart, but struck a rib instead. Monroe began to revive on her own, however. At that point, according to Hall, Greenson injected her breast with an unknown drug (perhaps chloral hydrate, which slows the metabolism of Nembutal). She died shortly thereafter. Hall and Jeffries then moved the body to the bedroom, while an unnamed plainclothes West Los Angeles Police detective instructed them on how to make the death look like a suicide.
Peter Lawford’s Version
Despite their recent falling out, Sinatra loaned Lawford (left) his private jet to fly out to Cal-Neva Lodge the previous weekend. According to him, he spent time there with Joe DiMaggio Sr. and Monroe. He and Monroe returned together on Sinatra’s plane.Lawford said he didn’t have much contact with her the following week. After eating dinner with Newcomb and Joe Naar at his house, he called Monroe at about 7:45 to invite her over for a party. She said she didn’t feel like coming, and cryptically added, “Say goodbye to the President….You’re a nice guy.”
The cryptic remark didn’t sit well with Lawford, so he called his manager and friend Milt Ebbens for advice. Ebbens told him not to go to Monroe’s house if she were suicidal because that would look bad for his brothers-in-law were he to find her dead. Ebbens instead called Monroe’s attorney Milton Rudin, who then called the house at 8:30. Murray answered, and went to check on Monroe, who said she felt fine.
Still, Lawford worried. He called again around 10:30pm, but both telephone lines were busy. So he called Naar, who had left the party early, and asked him to check on Monroe. Before Naar had a chance to leave, he received another call from Milton Rudin telling him that a trip to Monroe’s house “wouldn’t be necessary.”
In 1982, Lawford gave reporters what he thought would be a deathbed interview (he actually passed away two years later). He denied that Monroe had had an affair with either John Kennedy or Robert Kennedy. He further insisted that he did not visit Monroe on August 4, 1962.

Ken Hunter’s Version
Paramedic Ken Hunter said that he responded to a call at 12305 North Helena Drive shortly after 12:00 midnight on August 5, 1962. He found Monroe in her bed comatose, but still alive. He and his partner transported her to Santa Monica Hospital where she died shortly after her arrival.

Elizabeth Pollard’s Version
Pollard claimed to have seen Robert Kennedy enter Monroe’s house at 3:00pm on August 4, 1962. While playing cards with several friends later that evening, she saw him return with two other men just as the sun had set (approximately 8:00pm PDT). According to her, one man carried a bag similar to the kind that doctors use.
Jose Bolanos’s Version
Bolanos and Monroe both claimed to have met in February 1962 in Acapulco (Mexico). They fell in love, and met twice after that: once in New York, and again in Los Angeles, where he accompanied her to the Golden Globe Awards show. According to him, the two planned to marry sometime in 1963.
Bolanos called her at 9:30pm on the night of August 4, 1962, and told him a number of secrets that he described as “shocking.” About twenty minutes into their conversation, she told him that someone was at the door. She put down the phone, but never returned.
Fred Otash’s Version
During her final week of life, Monroe allegedly met with private investigator Fred Otash to ask for his help in debugging her house. Ostensibly, she wanted to see if she could lure Robert Kennedy there so that she could blackmail him. Otash didn’t tell her, however, that he had already done the actual bugging of her house and wiretapping of her telephone with help from Jimmy Hoffa associate Bernie Spindel. A chain of unknown persons paid him for the job, so Otash never knew for sure the actual identity of his client. Nevertheless, he speculated that either the Mafia, Hoffa, or both wanted to blackmail the Kennedys.
While monitoring the house on August 4, Otash recorded a heated argument between Monroe and Robert Kennedy at approximately 3:30pm. “Where is it?” Kennedy thundered repeatedly, as the clacking of closet hangers, and the opening of drawers loomed in the background. Intermittently, the voice of a second man appeared, but the volume of his voice was too soft to make out actual words.

Sam Giancana (lesser)’s Version
In his book Double Cross: The Explosive, Inside Story of the Mobster Who Controlled America (co-written by Chuck Giancana, the elder Sam's little brother), Giancana said that his godfather Sam put out a hit on Monroe. The purpose was to blackmail Robert Kennedy by tying him romantically to Monroe, and then leaving evidence that would implicate him in her murder. Working with a fellow mobster, Johnny Roselli, they began to set up the wet job during Monroe’s stay at the Cal-Neva Lodge. They hired professional hitmen Anthony Spilotro and “Milwaukee” Phil Alderisio, who boasted to the younger Giancanas that he and his “boys” had given Marilyn a “poisoned suppository.”
Richard Slatzer’s Version
Slatzer (pictured left with Monroe) claimed to have been a close friend of Marilyn’s since 1945. He also claimed that he married her in 1952. During the week of her death, she allegedly showed him her diary, which detailed her affairs with President John Kennedy and his brother Robert. On the day of her death, he said he went to Monroe’s house, where Murray served them hamburgers for lunch. As they ate, Monroe fired Pat Newcomb, who refused to leave.Labels: assassinations, domestic ops, espionage, mafia, Marilyn Monroe, media, pop culture



30 Comments:
At 9:41 PM,
Oº°‘¨t®ãg‘°ºO said…
There is also a rumour that someone very close to Marilyn has detailed info which was ordered to be held back by her estate until a certain amount of time had passed fater her death. I cannot recall just where that stems from but I heard it a long time ago from my father. This is a wonderful series hun. Marilyn is one of my heroes. Have you taken a look at "Goddess: The Secret Lives of Marilyn" by Anthony Summers? Its an amazingly detailed biography of her life and death. If anyone wants a good source of info all in one book rather than a library's worth - I recommend it.
At 9:53 PM,
schaumi said…
so many versions? no wonder there are so many conspiracy stories based on MM.
At 11:35 PM,
Libby said…
i love how you break everything down, and give it to us in easily understood sections, x...are you a former kindergarten teacher, perhaps?
At 2:36 AM,
X. Dell said…
Tragic, I have four MM biographies in front of me. One is Summers' Goddess: The Secret Lives of Marilyn Monroe. The others are Marilyn: The Last Take By Peter Brown and Pattie Barham, The Last Days of MArilyn Monroe by Donald Wolfe, and Marilyn by Gloria Steinem. Each have their weeknesses and merits. Each contradicts each other. The reason why I like to use multiple sources is because the contrasts help me form a conclusion.
As you can probably tell, my timeline was in part derrived from Summers. Wolfe heads in a similar direction, but Summers' is clearly the superior book. It's better researched. Also, Wolfe was a screenwriter. While his explanations of events makes for a compelling drama, there are parts of it that are simply implausible. What I find at fault in the Summers' version, however, isn't his legwork--in fact, I've come to appreciate the book. What I see as problematic there is that he doesn't have a very strong critical evaluation of witness testimony.
Brown and Barham's book focuses primarily on Monroe's last attempt at a movie, Something's Got to Give. For the first time in her life, Monroe had taken a very serious adult stand, and had emerged victorious. It was a turning point in her life, and possibly a stepping stone to greater things. The experience definitely changed her.
Unfortunately, her triumph ocurred during the penultimate week of her life.
I like Steinem's book because it focuses more on her life. And as you will see, I will come to treasure Steinem's input as the only actual CIA secret agent to write about Monroe.
You read that right. More about that in the future.
Schaumi, there are many, many versions of this tale. But when we examine them, we can dismiss many of these stories in whole or in part. One of these versions, I believe, is closest to the truth. I'll let you guess which one (the pictures are a clue--I didn't select them randomly).
Thanks, Libby. I didn't teach kindergraden, fellow Buckeye, but rather middle school (student teaching) and upper-level undergraduates (who sometimes act like kindergradners).
At 6:22 AM,
Cocaine Jesus said…
beyond all the intricately web spun theories on the varied conspiracies surrounding MM's tragic death one thing screams out at you. her life was so desperately sad and she was so desperate to be loved.
among the men she loved are some vrey ordinary and simply unattractive compared to the likes of some of her film/pop star cohorts and yet she seemed to love them all.
At 10:03 AM,
Oº°‘¨t®ãg‘°ºO said…
I have an opinion on the truth and the finding of such.
This may offend some but please remember I'm not good with analogy and this may well be the most controversial analogy I have ever used and if there are any misunderstandings as to my usage - I appologise.
I believe that Marilyn's story, truths, myths, legends, etc. is comparable to the legend of the Holy Grail. Everyone will search the world over, everyone will come up with every possible scenario and interpretation of the facts as they believe them to be based on whatever limited information they can dig up. They will never truly find what the answers are. They will never find that Grail yet they will eternally wonder, hope, analyze and compartmentalize.
I think we shall never truly know and whats more - I don't think we truly want to.
If Marilyn were still alive - would her star still shine so bright?
She is such a legend only in part because of her career and her tragic experiences. But there have been other stars, more prolific careers, many touching life tales.
I sincerely believe that if she hadn't been killed, especially under such mysterious circumstances -
She'd be another Bardot. We'd hear of her now and again, she'd lend her name to causes, we'd have the fanatic and cult followings.
We strive for the truth only because it is so elusive.
As with the Grail - I truly believe Marilyn's questions will remain eternally unanswered.
At 10:12 AM,
doc-t said…
i'm wondering if some of these stories can actually coincide or work together.
Some witnesses claim to have seen Robert Kennedy there. Some did not. The fact that a person did NOT see someone else present, does not mean that someone else is not there. He very well could have been there and seen by only a few.
Interesting that the mobster boasted about a poisoned suppository, when a strage discoloration was found around her rectum.
The version where the doctors show up at 3:00 am but don't call the police until 4:30 am is rather odd. An hour and a half goes by and they call neither an ambulance nor police?
Sometimes when different people see the same thing, and are ask to tell what they saw, the events are told with differences. Some people pick up on certain things that other's miss.
The next time you see a great last play of a football game or base ball game, ask four of your friends to describe that last play to you. The odds are they will all tell the same story but some will mention things the others do not.
Either they are all liars, or they simply did not notice exactly what the others did or did not remember the exact same details the others did...
So... Piece it all together for us X!
At 10:30 AM,
firebird said…
Fascinatin'! Your research and presentation is impeccable. But I am left with one question--how do you give someone a poisoned suppository? Do you have to impersonate a doctor? Perhaps there are clues here.
Thanks for your hard work--it is much appreciated!
At 12:25 PM,
Mayden's Voyage said…
For Marilyn time has stood still. She will never be old, always beautiful, always a mystery- and kind of a sad one at that. She would have turned 80 in June.
I didn't realize there were so many versions of her passing.
Who would have benefited the most from her death?
You have made her feel quite real to me by revealing the people around her- though she died several years before I was born.
Awesome job~
At 1:07 PM,
X. Dell said…
Tragic, no offense taken. There is a certain wisom in realizing that Monroe is to a large degree legend, and that one day (if she hasn't already done so) become a large part of American mythology, just like that other Monroe (the ex-President).
As to what she might have been doing now, you're also right in that speculation comes cheap and easily. I will, however, say that Monroe was probably more substantive than Bardot, more profound, smarter, more famous, and came from a more powerful media system. I don't think that they would have wound up in exactly the same place.
As to the grail analogy itself, I will not argue, but instead offer my humble opinions about grails, holy or otherwise. If I accept the analogy as is, then I would still think that the pursuit of the grail is worthwhile, for you will discover many things along the quest that will turn out to be important. In this case, there are some things to be found out--exhumation, with current technology, could give more clarity as to cause of death (Miner's pushing for it); she was taped by someone, who would either have extant copies of the tape or the transcripts (for rarely is anything purely destroyed in spydom--why would you when you feel that you can keep your secrets, and even if you can't you can manage them by means of disinformation). I also think much could be gleaned from looking at a number of sources, not the least of which was Monroe's declassified FBI file.
CJ, I would agree that Marilyn underwent sadness during her life. Her father abandon her (in fact she never knew his identity, even), her mother abndon her in a very real way, and left her in the care of foster homes and ultra-puritanical family members, and she miscarried. Nevertheless, there was a degree of resilliency in her, and close to the time of her death found and felt a new strength, one she never had before (I think this might have played a role in her death).
As for her latching onto any man, that certainly wasn't the case. Monroe had a reputation for being exceedingly nice, and often went out of her way to make people feel good about themselves, male or female. If you're reacting to Slatzer's photo, I would also caution that Slatzer was most likely a con artist. Much of what he says can and has been disproven (I'll get to that in the next post). She might have had sex with him, but she had sex with lots of people (both male and female). Very few meant anything to her. In fact, a number of sources close to her said that she had no sexual interest in Bobby Kennedy at all, but rather in his brother.
Doc, to respond to your comment:
(1) Yu're right. Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Evidence of presence somewhere else, however, is evidence of absence.
(2) The poison suppository claim is interesting in that it is consistent with the forensic evidence (Noguchi noted during the autopsy that this could explain the lack of Nembutal in her digestive track, hence his request for further toxicology tests). Problem is, this comes after the fact, and from someone sympathetic to the alleged purpetratorss.
(3) Your point about selective memory is well-taken, especially in light of previous posts here on false memory. But think of it this way. You see a famous person. You interact with said famous person. Police ask you about the interaction within twenty hours. What would you forget? The precise wording of dialogue, maybe. The inflection and tone of the dialogue, maybe. Hands gestures, maybe. But it would be difficult to think that you wouldn't agree with other witnesses on the scene that this person actually came into the house and ordered you around. In other words, the basic gist of things wouldn't have been forgotten in those twenty hours.
As for piecing things together, my intent here is to shed light on the issues involved. I have an hypothesis of what happened, and that's all. I'll offer it. But sometimes I think it's more important to explain your reasoning more than your conclusion. I do believe that this is a solvable crime.
Hi, Firebird. Welcome to the X-Spot. Glad you're enjoying it. Hope you keep on enjoying it, for we would love to see you back.
You wouldn't necessarily have to be a doctor to administer a drug with the intent to murder anyone, just as you wouldn't have to be a doctor, or have a prescription, to inject yourself with an illegal narcotic. Aldersio was no doctor.
Cora, it's funny that you mentioned that. I was thinking the same thing as I compiled the research for this series. She would have celebrated her 80th birthday on Entertainment Tonight, probably.
I hope that before the series ends, however, that I will offer an angle of Monroe that wasn't quite what anyone expected:-)
At 2:27 PM,
Blondie said…
FABULOUSLY interesting.
A girlfriend and I were discussing all of the stories regarding the death of Ms. Monroe just a few days ago.
Great post.
Increadible insite.
At 9:59 PM,
X. Dell said…
Hello, Blondie. Welcome to The X-Spot.
So there is a bit of synchronicity in all of this? I wouldn't be surprised. Conincidence seems to be the fundamental explanation for everything, these days.
Feel free to come back and comment on the remaining MM posts.
At 12:18 AM,
Dale said…
Robert Slatzer looks like Andy Richter in that photo.
Thanks for the ongoing insights and posts.
At 4:31 AM,
schaumi said…
I'll wait for your angle then. I'm feeling rather obtuse. not at all acute....certainly not right about anything concerning MM...:) so, i'll wait for your angle version then..
At 9:04 AM,
Felicity said…
Just the fact that there are SO MANY versions ought to raise suspicions.
Gawd, she was gorgeous.
At 8:08 PM,
Oº°‘¨t®ãg‘°ºO said…
I relate to Marilyn on many levels. Many of her emotional experiences as a young woman are mirrored by my own, most of her psych profile fits my own, her obsessive need to "take care" of others, her need and constant struggle for acceptance and love, her neverending quest to better her mind while still being "on" in the eyes of the fans. She was a relentless giver and I really don't think many people have looked at that side of her. From an acute understanding of the many biographies I have read and my own emotional issues - Gods I wish I could have known her so as to make this observation properly - I believe her habit of going from partner to partner for sex as well as love wasn't so much a trampy thing as some factions of the media would have you believe. Its known that a borderline personality such as hers will often times seek out any type of acceptance at any cost.
At the risk of sounding cliche - she seems to have just wanted to be loved. At any or all costs. She just wanted someone to look beyond the stardust and hold her - Norma Jean - as a treasured gift. Sadly a lack of trust and a low self regard also comes hand in hand with that. She likely didn't believe they truly loved her when they proclaimed it and also she may have even turned scared when she thought it was finally happening because (knowing from my own personal experiences) She wasn't exactly sure what to even do with it. Rather than being a selfish media hound ang man hungry tramp as some would have us believe - I think she was the exact opposite. I truly believe that Norma was so terribly down on herself that she would sacrifice anything just to be finally truly loved. She was insecure, hurting, afraid, distrusting and very very depressed.
At 8:19 PM,
Angie said…
Once again, a fascinating post. I'm glad you're going to explain the pictures. I wondered why you selected certain ones. Sly move.
At 4:54 PM,
X. Dell said…
You know something Dale? You're right. He does look like Andy Richter. Nowadays, Slatzer looks like an old Andy Richter. But I was nevertheless happy to find a photo of the two of them together.
Schaumi, I didn't know you did puns. You're starting to get a little like SJ, here. Is this what the start of the school year does to you?
I would like to triangulate on the pertinent topics, and circle around on others before comming to my decision. I can be such a square at times.
Tragic, I basically get the same sense of Monroe that you did. By no means would I think about her as a "tramp," so much as she was looking for acceptance--not as Marilyn Monroe, the movie star, but as Norma Jeane Mortenson the foster child.
Some biographers would look upon her niceness as a neurotic need to "move with people," as Karen Horney used to say. Such people try to please everyone because they generally fear everyone. By being nice, they reckon that people wouldn't be so inclined to hurt her, especially in the way she had been hurt previously in her life. But in her case, she didn't really fear anyone (except Mafia people, and then only late in her life). She did want, however, for others to recipricate.
There is no evidence that she suffered psychosis, and I am not inclined to see her as neurotic. Instead I would see her as a person beset by unusual psychic injuries--absent father, negligent family, failed mariages, miscarriage, and so on. At the same time, she developed a personna that everyone likes. Everyone loved Marilyn. It's anyone's guess if anyone loved Norma Jeane.
Her numerous partners could possibly be explained as a series of repeated episodes with others: people turned on to Marilyn, but neglected Norma Jeane (i.e. who she really was), so she split. She could also have simply wanted acceptance. Yet in every relationship I've ever seen, there's heavy interest at first, then a decline, and the a slow buildup into another type of devotion. Maybe she saw that second phase as lost acceptance. And the search for acceptance drove her to a large extent.
Angie, in case you didn't recognize any of the unidentified pictures, the men with her include Joe DiMaggio, Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, Frank Sinatra, and Sammy Davis Jr.. She was a friend or lover to all of them. But, most important, they all sort of became the intrique that surrounded her.
At 7:36 PM,
Enemy of the Republic said…
Hi, I'm back and wouldn't you know--you are writing about one of the most fascinating people to me--I also dug Montgomery Clift. I only skimmed the previous two blogs, so I am still unsure of your conclusions. I knew the Lawford version and the business of Sinatra and RFK, who I understand, really did love her. That would thicken the plot and give more credence to what Doc-T suggests. Have you read the Joyce Carol Oates novel called Blonde? I recommend it. I swear I will look at these other blogs. Good stuff. I hope you had a good week.
At 8:24 PM,
JohnB said…
Like the Area 59 post (and beyond), I have not relatively given this much thought before your outline of all the events, and various versions of events. After reviewing much of the accounts it doesn't take much of a leap to conclude that something "fishy" is going on. So, my question is: what ever happened to her diary? Pretty sure it's located in some black hole of the potential implicatee. I eagarly await your next post about this.
PS: You have a Hendrix post as well...being a musician myself, I've always wondered about his death, but never really looked into it.
At 8:55 PM,
schaumi said…
x.dell
you're darn tootin'..:)
Being square is not bad. I do think it is always good to look at subjects from an equilateral viewpoint..
At 9:18 PM,
X. Dell said…
Look who's back!!
My dearest Enemy (I love saying that), Monroe has become fascinating to me only recently, after I read through her declassified intelligence file. I had only seen her in one movie before last year ("There's No Business Like Show Business," in which she sings a song interestingly titled "After You Get What You Want, You Don't Want It."). Now, she fascinates me, hence her appearance here.
I haven't read the Oates book, but I'll get to it, I'm sure.
John, to think that something fishy was up is precisely the point. Even if the official version were correct (and notice I used the subjunctive for that last phrase), one would have to account for the vast discrepancies and contradictions.
As far as the diary is concerned, Slater produced what appears to be the diary about twelve years ago. It chronicled a suggestive relationship with "Jack," but did not specify what that entailed.
As far as Hendrix goes, yes I have looked a lot into his death. Talk about contradictions, just about his whole life is open up to debate. The accounts of his death are so widely divergent that they have to trigger your spider sense.
I hope to post some on Hendrix, Jopin, Morrison and Lennon before the year is out.
At 9:21 PM,
X. Dell said…
Yes, Schaumi, our thoughts seem to be running parallel, and are perhaps a sine of an understanding greater than or equal to the one we already have.
Not to run off on a tangent, but I'm going to get an ice cream cone before coming back to watch the $10,00 Pyramid on the Game Show Network.
At 12:39 PM,
schaumi said…
okay, now,
you're pyramiding puns just about have me stumped....
I'm really stretching here.
when's your next post coming? (no pressure, of course, as I haven't posted anything in a week). I actually do like how your posts on different subject matters are built like a pyramid. You start from a broad base, try to look at all angles until your viewpoint tightens to precise point.
At 9:38 PM,
K9 said…
/bark bark bark
who in the hell is heidi? anotha ho?
grrrrrrherherhahaha (bad pun)
ladies dont hit me its a JOKE.
boy eunice looks kinda scary in that photo...she couldve shoved up a sposz while mm was passed out.........
one things for sure, nobody kills themselves with a suppository.
but im still back at the "things from outer space" post ....like mayden fair say: who benefitted most?
of course id love the dead kennedys to be the culprits. the bastards!
yeah, i cant wait for hendrix. and lets hope your joplin treatment erases forever from my memory banks the movie version with bette milder...who is repulsive. ive seen drag queens better lookin then the bovine ms M. even the actual janis joplin looks better than her. sorry for the digression.
ladies dont hit me!!!!!
/howl
At 10:42 PM,
schaumi said…
methinks canine, that was the worst pun eva'...
At 11:01 PM,
K9 said…
/bark bark bark
schaumi: no question your geometry puns were far superior!
/grrrrrr
At 12:57 AM,
X. Dell said…
Hey, Schaumi, that's maybe a good way to look at things. As a pyramid. Either that or a circling around on the issue until I land somewhere (no pun intended that time).
And as you can see, the next post is up. I apologize for the delay. It wasn't my intention.
K9, Heidi's my friend, So that's all that I will say about that.
I agree that it's doubtful that anyone would think of offing themselves with a suppository. Especially a movie star. I mean, how unglamourous would that be?
Eunice doesn't really seem all that scary to me, but she is the person who ties Bobby Kennedy to Marilyn Monroe. I know too that a lot of people would like for the Kennedys to be the culprits in her death, just as they hope that Ted murdered Mary Jo Kopechne. If looking for the truth of things, I cannot really root for one version over another, although I do admit that like every other human being I have biases. The only thing I can do is to warn the reader of them, and then try to remain as objective as I can.
BTW, Joplin's death was less suspicious than Hendrix's or Morrison's. Nevertheless, the timing, the cause, and the circumstances are pretty interesting to examine.
And, IMHO, Janis was actually quite attractive when sober. It was only when she was drunk or stoned that she looked like Medusa.
Now as far as taking sides, those geometry puns....
At 10:14 AM,
K9 said…
/bark bark bark
errrrrrrrrrk! *screeching brakes* er, sorry x. i thought heidi might be a movie star or something....jus playin i was, jus playin.......
murdered mjk? nay, i always thought i was an accident then a cover up..you gotta admit, whatever ya think of them, the kennedys always have some kind of big drama swirling around them
/grrrrr
At 6:19 PM,
X. Dell said…
I realize you were only making light, K9. No offense taken--except maybe by The Almighty Heidi. So watch yourself in the afterlife.
I also would like you to feel free to make any comment that you wish. I may disagree or agree. I may question, I may not. Either way, my respect for you--and everyone else here--has not diminished.
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