Tuesday, October 28, 2008

The Devil’s in the Slide: Prosecutorial Reflection

In recent years, Discovery ID’s Most Evil show has spent considerable airtime discussing Charles Manson and the Helter Skelter murders. Like many shows on the subject, it featured former-prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi as a talking head. One statement Bugliosi made, in an episode originally airing January 2008, so neatly outlined Mae Brussell’s predictions regarding the consequences of the trial that I transcribed it in its entirety for presentation here without further comment:

The Manson case, here in LA, is a story, obviously on page one. And because the murders were so exceptionally brutal, and they seemed to be somewhat random, and there was no discernable, conventional motive such as burglary, or robbery, people in LA were very, very frightened, particularly in Beverley Hills and Bel Air, the heart of the movie colony, where the Tate murders happened. [Unintelligible] People were dropped from guest lists, parties were canceled, no one knew if the killer or killers were among them.

Sometimes you can measure the fear overnight. The sale of guns, guard dogs, the employment of security services rose dramatically. It shocked the nation, these murders, no question about it--particularly when the facts emerged that the killers did not know the victims, that they entered the homes of total strangers in the middle of the night, and mercilessly stabbed them to death. I mean, if you’re not safe in your own home, where are you safe? And who these people were, who the killers were, they seemed to be average kids from average American backgrounds.

There are people that believe that the murders were the end of innocence. [Unintelligible] The Sixties mantra of love peace and sharing in this country. Joan Didion, in her memoir of the era, The White Album, said that many people believed that the Sixties came to an abrupt end on the night of August 9, 1969. ABC’s Diane Sawyer said that the murders brought an end to the decade of love, that something changed in the heart of America with these murders. So these views basically are saying that the Manson murders were a watershed moment in the social evolution of this country.

The only thing that I will say--and I’m not a sociologist, so I can’t address myself to that point--but I will say this: before the Manson murders, no one associated hippies, identified hippies, with murder, you know, just drugs, free love, and peace. Yes, the hippies wanted to change the status quo in this country, but by peaceful means, not violence. Then Manson comes along, looking like a hippie, living like a hippie, and he’s a mass murderer. And I don’t think there’s any question that the Manson murders hurt the counterculture movement in our society.

So it’s hard to know the sociological implications of this case, but there are people that feel that it kinda changed America. The countercultural flower got deseeded.

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23 Comments:

  • At 1:04 PM, Blogger Charles Gramlich said…

    I think the media attention given to the murders probably did firmly cement in many folks mind the connection between hippies and "Drug crazed" lunacy.

     
  • At 2:00 PM, Blogger foam said…

    yes .. basicallly what charles said ..

     
  • At 2:39 PM, Blogger benjibopper said…

    even if they WERE hippies, would the acts of a few corrupt the whole lot? it's like writing off buddhists because I saw one eat a hamburger.

     
  • At 2:40 PM, Blogger benjibopper said…

    and of course, as you pointed out, they weren't hippies.

     
  • At 2:43 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Foam, Charles, I agree wholeheartedly with both of you. After all, the mythology has gone on nearly forty years unchecked. And by crafting the message that these murders had to be the eventual result of challenging the status quo, those not inclined to connect Manson's bunch with hippiedom could still form an opinion that the murders were the natural culmination of an ideological movement.

     
  • At 2:51 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Benjibopper, unfortunately the answer to your question is yes. It did happen in this case, despite the fact that they weren't hippies.

    You have to understand that in 1969 the media representation for any group outside of the accepted norm (e.g. hippies, people of color, gays and lesbians, etc.) was so sparse that the rare depiction of an individual from any outgroup--either fictional or non-fictional-had a bearing on perception of that group as a whole.

    Today, we're more into narrowcasting, or in other words broadcasting to targetted demographics. So everyone now has their own channel, whether they be true crime enthusiasts or golfers. So one cnnot say that media representations are rare these days. But one can say that media representations of outgroups are still rare in the most mainstream venues, such as broadcast tv (at least in the US--can't speak for Canada). So the same principal more or less applies, subject to that qualification.

     
  • At 4:31 PM, Blogger Libby said…

    yes, x, manson truly gave hippies a bad name...even though he wasnt one, he looked like one, and to society at that time, that was all that mattered...of course, the truth of him & his 'followers' was far worse...

     
  • At 5:28 PM, Blogger Crushed said…

    An old trick, but one they still use today...

    Ask a Muslim.

     
  • At 9:10 PM, Blogger Aggie said…

    Perhaps those that were "thinking hippies" also had their innocence ripped away from them by these terrible murders. That Drugs, Free Love, Peace and Rock n' Roll still couldn't overcome evil. That drugs could be incredibly harmful let loose on society in the hands of mad men. The 60s also gave rise to the incredible drug dependency of the USA today. No wonder the Manson Mayhem is inextricably linked to social change.

     
  • At 10:37 PM, Blogger Enemy of the Republic said…

    I think I may see where you are going--details later.

     
  • At 11:00 PM, Blogger SJ said…

    August 1969 if they had waited 4 months the 60s would come to an natural end. (Kidding)

    This post has some of your best writing X. (Still kidding.)

    Bugliosi sums up what I had been thinking as this series progressed. An old but effective trick. Now I am waiting for you to write about who might be behind all this.

     
  • At 4:33 AM, Blogger devin41 said…

    x.dell-I have been having computer connection probs so plz forgive any mispellings-trying to type quick-have you ever thought of taking your knowledge of the events of the sixties para-political and otherwise and writing a book?- I think it would make a great read-you have talent-I have seen subjects discussed on your site with a different take and flavor than anywhere else-just an idea-Best wishes-Devin

     
  • At 4:39 AM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Libby, the truth of Manson and his followers is arguably worse for all of them. After all, Manson continues to participate in this charade too, and one can't blame him. After all, it is to his benefit, and I think he's happy with the arrangement.

    Crushed, it's true. Demonification doesn't have to involve the bulk of an underrepresented community, just a few people. I remember after 9/11 Muslims in New York (especially in the outer boroughs) were harassed, beaten and threatened. They didn't do anything. Yet public opinion of them changed, literally overnight.

    Aggie, the feelings you articulate have resonated with a lot of people today, particularly in reaction to the drug issue. I would say that with the exception of the drug culture--which was a distinct part of the counterculture--the centrality of drug use to the counterculture was somewhat exaggerated. You have to understand that all segments of US society were, at that time, recreating with drugs. For most of the older generation, alcohol, tobacco and pills were the drug of choice, and were not only legal but an acceptable part of our general culture. The counterculture adopted some of these traits, but with different substances that were often illegal. The health effects of the drugs of all generations were evident for all to see.

    In other words, the general drug dependency of the US predated the counterculture by decades. That's why we went through a period of Prohibition--because of the social problems associated with chemical dependency during the late-19th and early-20th century. During that time, the Bayer company (the aspirin makers) manufactured heroin for over-the-counter sales. And Coca-Cola contained significant amounts of actual cocaine.

    True, all of these have had dire consequences in terms of public health and safety. But to think that it might have led to ruin moral ruin for only one segment of society is somewhat problematic.

    Enemy, I'm sure you will.

    SJ, I used to ask my students to give me dates for music of the 1960s. They would say, "1960-1969."

    I would then write on the board, "1964-1974," and add, "What do you think happened? At 11:50 pm on December 31 1969 all of the songwriters and musicians got together in some big hotel and said to each other, 'Okay, the Seventies are coming up in ten minutes. We have to change everything now!'?"

    As for who might be behind this, Mae Brussell spent a lot of time on that question. I will give you her list of suspects later (real names of real people who were really involved).

     
  • At 10:11 AM, Blogger K9 said…

    how weird i never thought of manson as a hippie. i remember reading helter skelter as a teenager. it didnt scare me though. i know what you mean about drug abuse far predating the 60's - i remember reading about opium use in the wild west. my brother was a hippie. murder would have been too hard. eating ice cream and laying on the couch was how i formed my opinion of "hippydom"

     
  • At 10:46 AM, Blogger dr.alistair said…

    brussel tends toward paranoia occasionally.

    http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Inside%20The%20Hearst%20Kidnapping.html

    this sort of writing appeals to those who believe in a conspiracy to ship people around like cattle in giant aircraft....and 40 years later we see little evidence for that in a country with the highest standard of living and greatest of human freedom on the planet.

    i saw a movie recently whereby a media mogul started wars to "make" news. was it a bond flick?

    anyhow, like you said x, we are splintering into many narrower bands of interest that are large enough to support an individual culture of it`s own these days and so to be a counter-culture meme today has lost it`s power.

    but brussel may have had a point about greece`s fascist attempt to control culture. like any prohibition, it is an attempt to adjust behaviour to the mean, whether it be drugs, sex or consumer habits....or just good old rock and roll.

     
  • At 2:17 PM, Blogger benjibopper said…

    same is mostly true in canada, though we do have a corny comedy show on CBC called 'Little Mosque on the Prairie.'

     
  • At 2:22 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Lol, K9, regarding your brother. It's interesting because I hear the conflation repeatedly today, and I heard it back then. There were also a lot of articles that I had come across recently that depict Manson et al as hippies. If you made the distinction, you might be in rarer company than you think.

    Alistair, for one thing, hauling people off in cattle cars has actually happened. In US history, we have a lot of bizarro types of operations--approaching this level--initiated by Intel which have been documented in presidential, congressional and senate hearings, and stipulated by the parties involved.

    More to the point, it's easy to glibly dismiss something out of hand without doing your homework, cross-checking with indpendent sources, following up on the sources provided in the original article, or ignorant of the underlying well documented historical context. Any layman can do armchair psychoanalysis, just as any jackass can cast aspersions on people who act or write boldly.

    In fact, one of the major sources of the article you linked to was a highly regarded private investigator named Lake Headley, who looked into the SLA affair on behalf of the family of former SLA member Willie Wolffe. Over the years I got to know more about Headley through my reader, who worked closely on him on numerous ocassions. Now, adding that to such sources as journalist Marilyn Baker, who was on the scene at the time, contemporary news accounts, and Hearst's own account, a reasonable person would be hard-pressed to dismiss everything in that article out of hand

    Now, if there are things that are incorrect, we have to see what that is, and assess the most likely source of error. If it's not incorrect, or highly likely, we also have to assert it's validity as a thesis.

    In my experience, people often take the party line simply out of timidity, the fear of being ridiculed by others who really haven't examined an issue. The purpose here is to explore such taboo subjects without trepidation.

     
  • At 2:47 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Benjibopper, I've seen an episode of Little Mosque on the Prairie. It's actually, very sitcomish, but at least one gets to see such a diverse cast.

     
  • At 8:05 PM, Blogger dr.alistair said…

    x, i thought i was being reasonable.

    the tone of the article i linked to was one of her repeating thrice told tales and conjecture.....and yes people have been shipped in cattle-cars and left to starve on thier own farms.

    politicians make terrible parents.

    but the fact remains that in large numbers, americans get treated extremely well compared to say, iran or zimbabwe or some of the banana republics that are heralded by some as socialist utopias.

    i hope that our digression hasn`t distracted from your excellent series though. i am keen to see your summation.

     
  • At 8:08 PM, Blogger dr.alistair said…

    and i stand corrected regarding the article i posted. for some reason i cut and pasted the wrong one. i would never attempt to wade in on the content or the sources in the article in my post.

    i will endevour to re-visit her website and find the article i read earlier.

    my apologies.

     
  • At 8:52 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Alistair, heralded as social utopias by whom? A number of third world dictatorships (e.g. South Vietnam, South Korea, Chile, Iran, Kuwait and Iraq for that matter) have been lauded by the US government and industry more than any other party I'm aware of. None of these could be consider socialist or utopias, however, but rather ruled by military juntas.

     
  • At 11:46 AM, Blogger dr.alistair said…

    using cuba as an example, there are those in america today that one one hand decry our own foriegn policy as oligarcic while supporting fidel castro as a "cool dude" and denying that he is an actual psychopath who, like saddam hussien, gleefully executed thousands of his own people on the way to power.

    those who feel this way are voters. our niegbours. wearing che guevara t-shirts.

    once again though i apologise for erroneously commenting and eagerly await more info regarding the manson story.

     
  • At 2:15 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Well, Alistair, I don't know if anyone has actually examined Castro to be a psychopath, and I don't like to engage in armchair psychoanalysis if I have to. But even here, the picture that you paint is at odds with historical facts (although I know where you got those facts from).

    The figure isn't "thousands" but rather 200+ who were executed in the wake of the revolution, first of all (of course, if we wait a bit, I'm sure the death toll will have jumped to hundreds of thousands). Secondly, the guilt or innocence of these people were determined by judicial rulings--in other words, they receive due processs.

    I don't condone the death penalty, and I don't appreciate its use here. But I would remind you that the US gov. and others executed their criminals in 1959 without anyone deemed psychopathic. And treason is still a capital offense in the United States.

    As for the fairness of these courts, I can tell you about the lady who owned the laundramat where I used to do my clothes. She immigrated from Cuba as a teenager in 1960, and was extremely anti-Castro. In fact, her father was an officer in Batista's army.

    She had nothing kind to say about Fidel. She cited an inncident when the police picked up her father when a local school burned to the ground. According to her, he was released in twenty-four hours because of lack of evidence.

    Of course he defected to New York the following year, with my acquaintance in tow. Maybe he feared a treason charge, someday. Maybe he was engaged in treasonous activities. But her story kinda shows that they just didn't round up people and kill them.

    The thing is, I don't really hear the left treating Castro as a saint. They have applauded some of his actions (free education for US doctors, for example). The left has also criticized the closedness of the society at times. But while the left hasn't really considered Castro a saint, they don't consider him a psychopath, bugbear, demonic, or any other fairytale character just because he refused to kowtow to the Mafia, or the CIA.

     

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