The Grounded Walrus: Misdirection
Read the caveat to this post below.
The morgue attendants, the death certificate, and Dr. Frank Veteran indicated that the bullets entered John Lennon on his left side. All agreed that the most devastating shot was the one to the aorta. Dr. Veteran stated specifically, “Lennon had been shot four times from the left at point blank range.” Veteran further stated that the shot appeared to have come from a .357 magnum.
Everyone now knows, as Dr. Veteran could have very easily learned by 2000, that Mark Chapman used not a .357 magnum, but rather a Charter Arms Undercover .38 Special. In assessing the source of this discrepancy we could speculate that (a) Veteran had a faulty memory; (b) the damage done by the hollow-point bullets given to Mark by Dana Reeves might have confused the young doctor (only thirty years old at the time); (c) one of his colleagues might have initially guessed a .357 magnum because of the hollow-point damage, and he took that assessment at face value; or (d) he really was looking at wounds made by a .357 magnum. I wouldn’t doubt that over the years, Veteran had some difficulty in remembering details that he didn’t witness personally. But as to what he actually observed, he probably has it indelibly etched in his mind, for the physicians at Roosevelt Hospital mounted an intense, dramatic (perhaps you could say heroic) effort. So I couldn’t say there’s much wrong with his memory. And as a surgical resident on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, Veteran would have treated other gunshot victims before he treated Lennon. Perhaps the only type of carnage that he had seen on that level came from a .357 magnum, so he made the association. He most likely would have also have recognized the gunshot residue pattern on the victim as indicative of a point-blank shooting. And because doctors would have had to consider removing bullets still in the victim (in this case, only one was), they really have to know from what direction the shots came from.
The death certificate indicates that the fatal bullet had a specific route passing through the (1) left shoulder, (2) left subclavian arterery, (3) the left lung, and (4) the aorta. That’s a bit of an area to cover, but it does narrow things down a bit, and supports Dr. Veteran’s recollection that the shots came from the left side, two of them passing through Lennon‘s arm. When you put together the information from Dr. Veteran, the morgue attendants and the death certificate, and take into account that they passed through the aorta (Figures 1 and 2) the possible bullet trajectories would appear as described in Figure 3.
Figure 1. Medical diagram of the human cardiovascular system, showing the location of the aorta

Figure 2. Medical diagram showing the location of the subclavian artery

Figure 3. Potential bullet paths through Lennon’s body

We have four wounds that constitute a “good shot group.” That means their entry points were very close. The shooter really hammered in on that spot. If the person were standing directly off Lennon’s left, then one would expect the three exiting bullets to have entered the side, and exited as shown by Potential Bullet Path 2 (or PBP2, as marked on Figure 3). Were someone to have shot Lennon from behind, and considerably to the left, the bullet path might more resemble PBP1. If we imagined that Lennon had an exaggerated arm swing when he walked (and there’s no indication that he did--I’m just supposing), then it’s possible that the path entry wound could have been more toward the back, as pictured in PBP3. Then again, the definition of left shoulder is in itself rather broad (no pun intended), so someone could say that it included the part of the shoulder up to where we would cease to define it as a shoulder, and regard it as a neck, or upper back. If Dr. Elliot Gross, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy and signed the death certificate, saw the bullet wound right where the shoulder met the neck, and then described that as being the shoulder, then the bullet’s trajectory would correspond to the path marked PBP4.
In other words, it’s reasonable to think that the bullets entered Lennon somewhere between PBP1 and PBP2, but it’s possible that the bullets could have entered anywhere between PBP2 and PBP4, given the limited description afforded by the death certificate. However, given Dr Veteran’s recollection that two shots went through Lennon‘s left arm, the vicinity of PBP1 would be the most likely point of entry--provided the doctor‘s memory and observations are accurate.
Because of where witnesses placed the principles in this event, we have a severe problem reconciling the shots with Mark Chapman’s position. Compiling together witness accounts and police reconstructions, the New York Times published a sketch of where everyone was in its December 10, 1980 final edition:
Figure 4. New York Times sketch of the crime scene.

Witnesses placed Chapman on the right side of the arch at the time of the shooting, with Lennon and Ono passing to his left. If this sketch were accurate, then one would have difficulty assessing how Chapman might have done the shooting, because he‘s standing on the right side, and the bullets are moving from left to right. The distance, as depicted here, would be about five or six feet between Lennon and Chapman, much closer together than others say they were (Chapman estimates twenty feet, while Ono says John was almost to the door; conceivably, they are placing him in roughly the same position--were Lennon, say ten to twelve feet away from the door, he would have been a little over twenty feet from Chapman).
I stress that I’m no forensic expert, but it’s difficult to understand how, standing to his right, Chapman managed to get off a shot that went through Lennon’s left upper arm and shoulder--especially if Lennon started to turn because someone called out his name, as the early reports said. Were the point of entry closer to PBP4, then we might surmise that the bullet could have deflected slightly. It might, at first blush, seem possible that the bullets could have ricocheted off the wall before hitting Lennon, although that would have been really fancy shooting.
Complicating this is the fact that as bullets go through bodies, they don’t always travel in a straight line as depicted in Figure 3, because dense muscle and bone tissue can alter their course. In fact, bullets have been known to take right angle turns upon entering the body. However, such is usually only the case with full and partial metal jacket bullets. Full and partial metal jackets can also ricochet, even inside the body (when hitting bone or other dense material). These bullets are far more likely to leave exit wounds.
Figure 5. .38 hollow-point after mushrooming

The problem is, Chapman supposedly used .38 hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are designed to expand (or “mushroom”) and break up upon impact (Figure 5). If a hollow-point enters someone, it should expand and break-up within the body, not exit it. As stated by the Internet Pathology Laboratory for Medical Education (Mercer College of Medicine Savannah, The University of Utah Eccles Health Sciences Library):
It’s clear that Dr. Veteran saw the arm injuries as entry wounds. In general, entry wounds are much smaller than exit wounds. However, if the victim is wearing tight fitting clothing at the time of the shooting, the exit hole might not be significantly larger than the entrance wound. Once more, the Internet Pathology Laboratory for Medical Education:
Unfortunately, we have a number of problems with this scenario as stated. As Maury Solomon and other witnesses pointed out, there were three bullet holes in the door after the shots ended. These are supposedly hollow-point bullets. One wouldn’t expect that there would be three exit wounds to hit the glass, since the bullets are designed not to leave the body--in fact, some people use them precisely to keep innocent bystanders from getting hit by a bullet leaving the victim‘s body. Also, the bullet’s not supposed to ricochet. If Chapman shot Lennon from that angle, and put holes in the door, the bullet would have had to ricochet off of either Lennon’s bones, or the wall after the bullet pierced his body--and that’s after we scratch our heads wondering why the bullet didn’t break up on hitting one object, let alone two. Secondly, if we explain the injury on Lennon’s upper left arm as an exit wound from a “secondary missile,” that poses a bit of a problem, for only one of the bullets stayed in the body, while the other three passed through. Okay, maybe two pieces of the same bullet broke off into the left arm. But Dr. Veteran would have probably judged them entrance wounds because of the GSR pattern and size of the wounds, and not just the size alone.
Under certain circumstances, Chapman might have possibly caused an injury resembling a point blank shooting from the distance depicted in the Times‘ diagram. The problem is, the sketch places him to the right of Lennon, not his left-hand side where GSR would be present. We also have one bullet acting as expected, and three behaving as though they were a different type of ammo altogether (although a hollow-point can conceivably cause an exit wound, that’s not what one would expect from one, let alone three).
In short, assuming Chapman alone shot Lennon, then he probably didn’t do it in the way depicted in Figure 4. What‘s worse, even if you dismiss Figure 4, then you’re hard-pressed to come up with a scenario in which Chapman, firing from the right, could have struck Lennon from the left, and at point blank range, especially if he were twenty feet away--the distance Ono and Chapman indicated.
The morgue attendants, the death certificate, and Dr. Frank Veteran indicated that the bullets entered John Lennon on his left side. All agreed that the most devastating shot was the one to the aorta. Dr. Veteran stated specifically, “Lennon had been shot four times from the left at point blank range.” Veteran further stated that the shot appeared to have come from a .357 magnum.
Everyone now knows, as Dr. Veteran could have very easily learned by 2000, that Mark Chapman used not a .357 magnum, but rather a Charter Arms Undercover .38 Special. In assessing the source of this discrepancy we could speculate that (a) Veteran had a faulty memory; (b) the damage done by the hollow-point bullets given to Mark by Dana Reeves might have confused the young doctor (only thirty years old at the time); (c) one of his colleagues might have initially guessed a .357 magnum because of the hollow-point damage, and he took that assessment at face value; or (d) he really was looking at wounds made by a .357 magnum. I wouldn’t doubt that over the years, Veteran had some difficulty in remembering details that he didn’t witness personally. But as to what he actually observed, he probably has it indelibly etched in his mind, for the physicians at Roosevelt Hospital mounted an intense, dramatic (perhaps you could say heroic) effort. So I couldn’t say there’s much wrong with his memory. And as a surgical resident on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, Veteran would have treated other gunshot victims before he treated Lennon. Perhaps the only type of carnage that he had seen on that level came from a .357 magnum, so he made the association. He most likely would have also have recognized the gunshot residue pattern on the victim as indicative of a point-blank shooting. And because doctors would have had to consider removing bullets still in the victim (in this case, only one was), they really have to know from what direction the shots came from.
The death certificate indicates that the fatal bullet had a specific route passing through the (1) left shoulder, (2) left subclavian arterery, (3) the left lung, and (4) the aorta. That’s a bit of an area to cover, but it does narrow things down a bit, and supports Dr. Veteran’s recollection that the shots came from the left side, two of them passing through Lennon‘s arm. When you put together the information from Dr. Veteran, the morgue attendants and the death certificate, and take into account that they passed through the aorta (Figures 1 and 2) the possible bullet trajectories would appear as described in Figure 3.
Figure 1. Medical diagram of the human cardiovascular system, showing the location of the aorta

Figure 2. Medical diagram showing the location of the subclavian artery

Figure 3. Potential bullet paths through Lennon’s body

We have four wounds that constitute a “good shot group.” That means their entry points were very close. The shooter really hammered in on that spot. If the person were standing directly off Lennon’s left, then one would expect the three exiting bullets to have entered the side, and exited as shown by Potential Bullet Path 2 (or PBP2, as marked on Figure 3). Were someone to have shot Lennon from behind, and considerably to the left, the bullet path might more resemble PBP1. If we imagined that Lennon had an exaggerated arm swing when he walked (and there’s no indication that he did--I’m just supposing), then it’s possible that the path entry wound could have been more toward the back, as pictured in PBP3. Then again, the definition of left shoulder is in itself rather broad (no pun intended), so someone could say that it included the part of the shoulder up to where we would cease to define it as a shoulder, and regard it as a neck, or upper back. If Dr. Elliot Gross, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy and signed the death certificate, saw the bullet wound right where the shoulder met the neck, and then described that as being the shoulder, then the bullet’s trajectory would correspond to the path marked PBP4.
In other words, it’s reasonable to think that the bullets entered Lennon somewhere between PBP1 and PBP2, but it’s possible that the bullets could have entered anywhere between PBP2 and PBP4, given the limited description afforded by the death certificate. However, given Dr Veteran’s recollection that two shots went through Lennon‘s left arm, the vicinity of PBP1 would be the most likely point of entry--provided the doctor‘s memory and observations are accurate.
Because of where witnesses placed the principles in this event, we have a severe problem reconciling the shots with Mark Chapman’s position. Compiling together witness accounts and police reconstructions, the New York Times published a sketch of where everyone was in its December 10, 1980 final edition:
Figure 4. New York Times sketch of the crime scene.

Witnesses placed Chapman on the right side of the arch at the time of the shooting, with Lennon and Ono passing to his left. If this sketch were accurate, then one would have difficulty assessing how Chapman might have done the shooting, because he‘s standing on the right side, and the bullets are moving from left to right. The distance, as depicted here, would be about five or six feet between Lennon and Chapman, much closer together than others say they were (Chapman estimates twenty feet, while Ono says John was almost to the door; conceivably, they are placing him in roughly the same position--were Lennon, say ten to twelve feet away from the door, he would have been a little over twenty feet from Chapman).
I stress that I’m no forensic expert, but it’s difficult to understand how, standing to his right, Chapman managed to get off a shot that went through Lennon’s left upper arm and shoulder--especially if Lennon started to turn because someone called out his name, as the early reports said. Were the point of entry closer to PBP4, then we might surmise that the bullet could have deflected slightly. It might, at first blush, seem possible that the bullets could have ricocheted off the wall before hitting Lennon, although that would have been really fancy shooting.
Complicating this is the fact that as bullets go through bodies, they don’t always travel in a straight line as depicted in Figure 3, because dense muscle and bone tissue can alter their course. In fact, bullets have been known to take right angle turns upon entering the body. However, such is usually only the case with full and partial metal jacket bullets. Full and partial metal jackets can also ricochet, even inside the body (when hitting bone or other dense material). These bullets are far more likely to leave exit wounds.
Figure 5. .38 hollow-point after mushrooming

The problem is, Chapman supposedly used .38 hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are designed to expand (or “mushroom”) and break up upon impact (Figure 5). If a hollow-point enters someone, it should expand and break-up within the body, not exit it. As stated by the Internet Pathology Laboratory for Medical Education (Mercer College of Medicine Savannah, The University of Utah Eccles Health Sciences Library):
For handgun cartridges, hollow-point projectiles produce the greatest increase in volume of disrupted tissue, along with fragmentation, and are unlikely to produce an exit wound. Full metal jacket projectiles are more likely to exit. Both full and partial metal jacket projectiles may ricochet off bone.It could be the case that once inside the body, the bullet’s fragmentation might cause injuries that aren’t in line with the point of entry. Once again, the Internet Pathology Laboratory for Medical Education:
Fragmentation of the bullet may produce secondary missiles, one or more of which may have exit wounds. The bullet path may be altered by striking bone or other firm tissues, such that the bullet track may not be linear, and exit wounds may not appear directly opposite entrance wounds.So it’s possible, for example, that if Chapman hit Lennon from the right, at or around PBP4, a little piece of the bullet could have broken off to the right, injuring the left subclavian artery, and piercing the aorta. Conceivably another piece from the same, or another bullet could have broken off, and gone through his left arm, thus explaining Dr. Veteran’s observation.
It’s clear that Dr. Veteran saw the arm injuries as entry wounds. In general, entry wounds are much smaller than exit wounds. However, if the victim is wearing tight fitting clothing at the time of the shooting, the exit hole might not be significantly larger than the entrance wound. Once more, the Internet Pathology Laboratory for Medical Education:
If the exit wound is ‘shored’ or abutted by a firm support such as clothing, furniture, or building materials, then the exit wound may take on appearances of an entrance wound, such as a circular defect with an abraded margin. This can occur with contact, close range, or distant shots. 92% of shored exit wounds in one study had a round or ovoid defect, and all had some degree of abrasion. The degree of shoring abrasion increased directly with the KE [kinetic energy] of the projectile and the rigidity of the shoring material.If we posit Chapman as the lone shooter, and wish to keep that hypothesis consistent with the death certificate, Dr. Veteran’s observations, the position of the principles as depicted in the Times sketch (Figure 4) and the physical environs of the Dakota, then we could speculate that he hit Lennon some place between PBP1 and PBP4. The fatal bullet then broke up with one portion taking a detour towards his aorta, the other taking a left and heading to the left arm on a day that Lennon happened to prefer a snug fit.
Unfortunately, we have a number of problems with this scenario as stated. As Maury Solomon and other witnesses pointed out, there were three bullet holes in the door after the shots ended. These are supposedly hollow-point bullets. One wouldn’t expect that there would be three exit wounds to hit the glass, since the bullets are designed not to leave the body--in fact, some people use them precisely to keep innocent bystanders from getting hit by a bullet leaving the victim‘s body. Also, the bullet’s not supposed to ricochet. If Chapman shot Lennon from that angle, and put holes in the door, the bullet would have had to ricochet off of either Lennon’s bones, or the wall after the bullet pierced his body--and that’s after we scratch our heads wondering why the bullet didn’t break up on hitting one object, let alone two. Secondly, if we explain the injury on Lennon’s upper left arm as an exit wound from a “secondary missile,” that poses a bit of a problem, for only one of the bullets stayed in the body, while the other three passed through. Okay, maybe two pieces of the same bullet broke off into the left arm. But Dr. Veteran would have probably judged them entrance wounds because of the GSR pattern and size of the wounds, and not just the size alone.
Under certain circumstances, Chapman might have possibly caused an injury resembling a point blank shooting from the distance depicted in the Times‘ diagram. The problem is, the sketch places him to the right of Lennon, not his left-hand side where GSR would be present. We also have one bullet acting as expected, and three behaving as though they were a different type of ammo altogether (although a hollow-point can conceivably cause an exit wound, that’s not what one would expect from one, let alone three).
In short, assuming Chapman alone shot Lennon, then he probably didn’t do it in the way depicted in Figure 4. What‘s worse, even if you dismiss Figure 4, then you’re hard-pressed to come up with a scenario in which Chapman, firing from the right, could have struck Lennon from the left, and at point blank range, especially if he were twenty feet away--the distance Ono and Chapman indicated.
Labels: assassinations, domestic ops, Lennon, pop culture, psychology



14 Comments:
At 8:35 AM,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ said…
highly interesting information!
i wouldn't even be able to speculate.
At 5:40 PM,
eric1313 said…
Yes ! John Lennon! I'll read all then comment.
Hey there X, glad you dropped by my place. I just got back home to Michigan a few days ago. Haven't posted yet and don't know when I will. But I'm floating around and absorbing everything I can.
I miss everyone.
At 8:48 AM,
X. Dell said…
Well, Foam, this is really speculative, and based on limited information.
Eric, good to see you. I'll drop by when you have a new post up
At 10:15 PM,
Anonymous said…
Read Steve Spiro's contemporaneous police report. He found Chapman standing on the left side of the arch when he pulled up in his patrol car, within a minute of the shooting. It's possible Chapman moved - it's also possible he didn't. Two bullets were recovered. One from inside the body and one was taken from John's leather jacket. So 3bullets passed through him, one didn't, and one missed completely and went through the glass windbreak. This accounts for all the bullets and explains 3 holes in the windbreak glass. As to the exact loaction of the wounds and distance between Chapman and John, we will never know for sure. At least not at this time. Veteran saw 2 wounds to the left of the sternum and 1 just under the clavicle, also on the left side. I have never read or seen anything in 30 years that indicates precise locations of the entrance wounds. Trust me, I've tried. The point I'm trying to make is that there's no evidence of a conspiracy. Less than ironclad details of the wounds do not a conspiracy make. And even if Chapman was standing to John's right he still could have hit John in his left side, especially considering that he never called out "Mr. Lennon" as was stated by the press. John never turned. He knew he was in trouble as he started to walk quickly away as he stared at Chapman and walked by him. He probably knew him from the album signing 5 hours before. According to Paul Goresh, John was kind of weirded out by Chapman's aloofness as he never really said anything to John. He just gestured that he wanted his album signed and took the signed album without even saying anything. My guess is John suspected something was wrong but his time and his luck had run out.
At 6:19 AM,
X. Dell said…
Anonymous, welcome to The X-Spot.
I read Spiro's report, and have quoted it during this series of posts. You're correct when sayingg that Spiro saw him to the left of the arch, but this occurred moments after the shooting, ample time for Chapman to move over a few feet.
If you read further into the series, you'll also sede that I agree with your assessment that extant evidence cannot establish that Chapman played a role in any conspiracy. In fact, that's kinda the point. We don't have as much information about that night as we could otherwise have had because the case was "grounded" from the start.
As for Goresh's observation, I would take it with a half grain of salt. After all, we all see things in a different context in hindsight. Moreover, I wouldn't presume to know what went on in Lennon's head as he passed by Chapman.
Whether or not Lennon turned to face Chapman, I would agree that it's possible that he could hit him in the left side. But the vital organs hit suggest shots from the left side, as Dr. Veteran suggested. While it's also possible (as I mention here) that bullet trajectories aren't always predictable because of the interaction between metal, muscle and bone, it's not nearly as likely with the ammo Chapman supposedly used.
I would invite you to read further on in this series to get an accurfate view of where I'm coming from with this.
At 9:27 PM,
Anonymous said…
Read Ono's statement to the police. Agreed you can't know what JL was thinking, but he was walking faster after he passed Chapman. It also doesn't make sense that he was walking faster and then turned. That conflicts with Ono's statement. The indications are he wanted to get the hell out of there.
Wounds to the left side of the body are just that. They don't necessarily indicate from which direction the shots were fired, though "behind" generally works here as it's agreed the back/shoulder wounds were entrance wounds. The problem is we don't know TRAJECTORIES. I would assume upward angles as MDC crouched as he fired, but assumption is the mother of all f***ups. When faced with limited knowledge, though, you have to take somewhat educated guesses as to what happened.
Guess I'll have to read your whole post as I don't see that we really disagree. I don find it strange that you can't read a full autopsy report. The man has been dead for 30 years! I have some questions, but nothing to indicate that what happened that night didn't occur more or less as reported.
Peace, friend.
At 5:39 AM,
X. Dell said…
Anonymous, if you read the entire series, you'll find that I actually quote from Ono's statements to Det. Mangicavallo.
My thoughts about this event are complex and nuanced, hence my exploration of it in a series of posts. To present my entire argument in the space of a comment is too difficult for my limited writing skills. Addressing your concerns about the merits (or lack thereof) of so-called 'conspiracy theory' in this short space would distort my position, unless those questions remain after you've read it. By that time, you'll at least have a better sense of what I've read (or considered), for example.
While you're correct in saying that the bullet trajectories cannot prove the direction from which they were fired, when taken into account with Dr. Veteran's observation and the death certificate, the likelihood of the shots coming from the right are diminished. That's not to say Chapman didn't hit Lennon. What it means is that one has to tweak the situation so that it becomes a plausible situation.
At 6:23 PM,
Anonymous said…
I read your post, though admittedly not thoroughly. For what it's worth, I would like to thank you on a very thorough, well researched piece. I know this stuff by heart and you're one of the few if not the only person who has most of the details, witnesses, sources, and errors corroborated.
Some points to consider:
The cab driver's statement seems to make a decent case for MDC being to the left of the archway when he fired. If the limo was double parked but presumably in front of the walkway and the cab was behind the limo, it's fairly unlikely that the cab driver would have seen MDC fire if MDC were to the right of John as he entered the archway. The building would possibly obscure anyone from being seen at that angle. I haven't actually tested this theory, but it seems to follow. One would have to go there and examine distances, angles, etc. to verify. But it does make more sense that the cab driver would more readily see someone fire from his relative position if that person were to the left under the arch as opposed to the right.
The death certificate does not state damage to the aorta, though that has been reported. The certificate states shock (blood loss), left lung and left subclavian damage as leading to death. I hear your arguments, but again, we don't have an official word on location of wounds or even all inclusive damage to the body. Speculation as to what bullets did what therefore becomes very problematic. Gross would be the guy to ask, but his reputation is far from stellar and it's been 30 years! A report would end speculation, but I don't think we'll ever see one and I don't know why.
Another (entirely different) matter was John's distance to the door/windbreak and whether that door/windbreak was open has always made me wonder. Given the nature and severity of the wounds, I think he was some feet away from the door and I believe it was open when he was shot. Again, versions differ! I say this because there was no blood spatter on the shattered glass or the door. Wounds of that nature would gush blood. Even though JL was wearing a T shirt, sweater, and jacket, I personally find it hard to believe no blood was on that door if he were THAT close to it when shots were fired. It doesn't really matter, but one wonders.
If anything, Ono's statement is strange. Sometimes he was ahead, sometimes I was or words to that effect make no sense to me. MDC stated on the 10th anniversary of the murder that JL did a sort of jerky dance as he ran up the steps and that Ono turned around at the shots and immediately ducked into the courtyard. I don't know that JL said anything after being hit as Ono followed moments later and JL was fading very quickly. Hastings said John never said a word, but tried to.
I know these are all trifling details, but all those small details when considered can make the difference and help end speculation. What I believe emerges from all this is that Astrucia doesn't have a case and is looking to make money off tragedy. I may be wrong, but his whole thesis is that left side wounds have to be caused by someone shooting from the left. That just isn't the case, and where he goes from there is baseless.
I don't have anything else to write, but I did enjoy your post. Peace, friend.
At 2:21 PM,
X. Dell said…
Anonymous, please forgive the tardiness of my response. I've just not been paying attention to my archives as of late.
I thank you for the contribution you've made here in giving this discussion more to consider. Like you, I have some misgivings for using Astrucia as a source. And I wouldn't had I not seen something there worth mentioning. By the time I got around to looking at the issue, I guess I could have cited other sources that would seem more credible, but that would be dishonest on my part since that was the first source I noted that floated the idea.
My feelings of this are that there isn't enough evidence to draw any definite conclusions. Even the generally accepted ones require a considerable leap of faith. And, to me, that's one of the most fascinating aspects of Lennon's death. It's like an abstract painting, or Rorschoch test, where many people can see a number of things--hence, the last post on the nature of social drama.
At 1:41 PM,
Bluejay Young said…
If producer Jack Douglas is to be believed (not thinking he's lying, just memory glitches after 30 years), John was troubled about Chapman before the shooting. Douglas said John showed him a copy of the Paul Goresh picture that evening. There's a couple of reasons why that's improbable but the important part is that Douglas had the impression that Lennon was thinking about Chapman.
A fan has created a youtube film from Paul Goresh's photos from that night.
At 4:30 PM,
X. Dell said…
Bluejay Young, good to see you.
Chapman could have given Lennon bad vibes for a number of reasons, so I wouldn't doubt that signing Mark's DF album might have given the heebee jeebees later on. The problem is with the source. Douglas couldn't have shown Lennon Goresh's photos. At the least, it shows a problematic distortion in Douglas' recollection.
I wouldn't necessarily make anything out of the erased tape, assuming that it exists. Without either the tape, a transcription, or even a discription of it by Douglas, it's simply a non-issue.
BTW, you can recover erased material from analogue tape. Analogue erasures only suppress the sound 98%. That's inaudible to the human ear, but a machine can pick it up. I doubt anything from Milk and Honey would have wound up in the garbage bin (after all, they're the last recordings of an iconic rock star, and they're expensive to boot--approx. $200 for fifteen minutes).
At 12:19 PM,
Exiles800 said…
I believe a man came forward to say his relative was the doorman across the street. This doorman was a WWII veteran who told his relative that he saw the whole thing - including Chapman's textbook military shooting crouch and expert handling of the recoil. The doorman thought to himself that Chapman had definitely had military training after watching him shoot Lennon. Perhaps this source could be traced to inquire which side of the tunnel Chapman shot from?
In my opinion, the best thing to discuss is Bresler's evidence which establishes proof of Chapman being mind-controlled like Sirhan Sirhan. You really don't need to discuss anything past Bresler's proof of CIA forgery of Chapman's airline tickets.
At 6:03 AM,
X. Dell said…
Exiles, I'm not sure I know to whom you're referring. I'll take a peak to see if any more eyewitnesses have said anything about that night.
As far as Bressler's "proof" of mind control, I would say that's very weak. There is some evidence there. And the fact remains that others besides the CIA could have accomplished it if it did happen.
At 4:18 PM,
Exiles800 said…
No, I disagree. There's very few groups that could manage the airline ticket forgeries or get into the Manhattan DA's office to steal the file containing the evidence of it. There's a clear CIA fingerprint as well as political motive. Just the opposite of weak. This was a classic Gottlieb CIA Technical Services Department black op. Even if it was a different group it is CIA's job to know about them.
Google: "CIA Killed Lennon". Alan's a good guy. He goes to Strawberry Fields and wears a sign saying "CIA Killed Lennon" in big letters. If you look at his comments sections there's a guy in there who knows about the doorman across the street. This WWII veteran doorman saw the whole thing and said the first thing that came to his mind after seeing Chapman take a classic military crouch and handle the recoil well was "that guy had military training".
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