Wednesday, April 07, 2010

The Grounded Walrus: Summary

To understand the reasons behind John Lennon’s death, we have to determine the motivation of Mark Chapman. Here, we have examined four types of explanations: official, quasi-official, those involving non-psychotic mental disorders, and others focusing on external manipulation of Chapman’s thoughts and actions by a party hostile to Lennon--the “Manchurian Candidate” hypothesis. Speculation along any of these four lines has proven difficult, for each presents a unique set of problems, questions and weaknesses.

The official explanation for Chapman’s motivation does not exist. At first, the defense argued that psychosis drove Mark to fly to New York and put four holes in the former Beatle. DA Allen Sullivan, Judge Dennis Edwards, three prosecution psychiatrists and two court-appointed ones argued otherwise. Judge Edwards found that though highly imaginative, Chapman could readily tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Moreover, in order to make a case for insanity, defense psychiatrists had to fudge (or fabricate?) critical parts of Chapman’s personal history. Friends, family and the psychological professionals who had previously treated Chapman for depression flatly contradicted the defense’s depiction of him as a perpetually angry, abused, psychotic loner. Thus, while the court had to consider the possibility of psychosis, the ultimate official decision dismissed it when Judge Edwards accepted Chapman’s guilty plea. Sufficient eyewitness evidence (including Chapman’s statements to police) pointed to Mark as the culprit, thus mooting the need to determine motive. Consequently, the official finding didn’t address motive, in effect saying that Chapman shot Lennon for no discernable reason.

I think that most people intuitively understand that for every human action there is at least one reason--more likely a set of them. Perhaps that’s why in public discourse on the death of John Lennon a number of explanations have surfaced. Some of them, because of repetition, have taken on the air of authenticity, what I refer to here as ‘quasi-official’ reasons. Chief among these is insanity. Despite the court’s ruling, many people can see a certain pathology in someone traveling thousands of miles (twice) in order to kill a man he’s never met, and towards whom has no personal animosity. At the same time, the evidence of insanity was too weak for a court to accept, while other evidence argues strongly against it as a causal factor.

Some have suggested (including Mark himself) that Chapman murdered Lennon to become famous. Augmenting this perception is the reality that Chapman has attained true celebrity status, complete with numerous press articles, television specials, two theatrically released movies and an X-Spot series devoted to his life. Moreover, both defense and prosecution expert witnesses characterized Chapman as narcissistic. Yet, many (including Mark himself--which should underscore his unreliability as a source for his own motivation) have contended that Chapman didn’t shoot Lennon to become famous. Lt. Arthur O’Connor, the NYPD detective official assigned to the case, noted that if Chapman sought fame, he went about it in an odd way. Unlike Charles Manson and others who bask in the limelight of their notoriety, and milk it for all it's worth, Chapman gave very few interviews during his incarceration. And unlike Manson, Chapman had no history of seeking fame through other means. Moreover, by pleading guilty, Chapman forfeited the attention a trial would have brought. By taking the stand in his own defense, Chapman could have wallowed in extraordinary public attention. Still, he declined this, preferring instead to accept his fate more quietly. And while narcissism might explain why Chapman shot a famous person, it doesn’t explain why he fixated on one particular individual who lived many miles away, when he could have picked someone just as (if not more) famous, someone closer, or someone he would have had easier access to.

Chapman’s obsession with J.D. Salinger’s Catcher in the Rye, and his putative self-identification as Lennon have led some to speculate (as did defense witness Dr. Daniel Schwartz) that Mark shot Lennon to either rid the world of someone he had long-considered a phony, or to commit ritualistic suicide without actually having to die. As characterized by those who knew him, Chapman’s obsession with Lennon really began in the fall of 1980 after reading the Fawcett biography. In other words, his interest wasn’t a lifelong thing, as some have maintained. Furthermore, no one has produced credible evidence (other than the defense experts) that Chapman couldn’t distinguish between himself and Lennon, and there’s much to indicate that Chapman saw Lennon as someone different from himself.

Our friend, Dr. Alistair, first mentioned a possible explanation for what happened that night, which our friend Charles Gramlich later expanded upon: specifically, undiagnosed Asperger’s Syndrome. Chapman, in fact, exhibits some of the traits associated with this disorder, mainly his tendency to withdraw into intense obsessions that lasted for brief periods of time, and then faded quickly. Unlike the schizophrenia diagnoses, which had to distort Chapman’s background to make their case, Mark’s friends, relatives and associates all witnessed and confirmed his obsession over such subjects as The Catcher in the Rye, art, guns or college.

Reading further into this hypothesis, I later discovered two things pertaining to Asperger’s and criminality. First, Asperger’s sufferers who commit crime typically have an underlying mental illness. Chapman’s bouts with depression are well documented. Perhaps we could then see the killing of John Lennon as a ritualistic suicide, although not in the manner suggested by Dr. Schwartz. In this case, Mark would have known that his life, as he knew it, would effectively end after the deed.

Second, while Asperger’s does not explain criminal activity, it can provide insight into the nature of the transgression. When someone diagnosed with Asperger’s breaks the law, it is often in an obsessive, violent way (e.g., stalking, assault, rape, murder, etc.) against a specific individual upon whom the perpetrator fixates for some reason. The Salinger and Fawcett books, in tandem, could have focused Chapman’s attention on Lennon. Chapman stalked Lennon for over a month.

Of course, neither Alistair nor Charles have stated that Chapman suffered from Asperger’s, let alone diagnosed him with it. As competent, responsible professionals they wouldn’t, unless they personally examined him. Instead, they simply suggested that such could be a possibility, based on some aspects of Chapman’s behavior. At the same time, they’ve each pointed to specific traits that challenge the Asperger’s hypothesis, among them Chapman’s gregariousness. While those associated with Chapman before the shooting could talk about Mark’s obsessions, they also made note of his outgoingness. The fact that Fenton Bresler could find numerous old friends to interview strongly suggests that Chapman could make and maintain friendships for many years. His befriending of Jerri Moll, Jude Stein and Paul Goresh in the hours leading up to the murder demonstrate more of an outgoing nature than a overriding desire for solitude. Another commenter in this series, Exiles800, has also noted that the good shot grouping indicates excellent physical (especially eye-hand) coordination, which is something rather uncommon among Asperger’s patients (of course, that‘s assuming Chapman actually shot Lennon).

One has to keep in mind that a psychiatric diagnosis isn’t’ a one-size-fits-all kind of explanation. After all, people can have a condition in which they manifest some symptoms, but not others. A number of Asperger’s sufferers can initiate and maintain friendships and romantic relationships. Not all of them have poor coordination. Some, like ‘80s new-wave rocker Gary Numan, are even musicians. And in 1981, mental health providers knew considerably less about Asperger’s than they do now. That could explain why defense psychiatrists didn’t pursue this more ardently, perhaps as a secondary explanation. Maybe, at some future date, another psychiatric evaluation could shed some light on this.

Like a prosecutor presenting a case, those who suspect a conspiracy in the death of John Lennon would have to show motive, means, opportunity and connection. Obviously, many within US and UK Federal law enforcement disliked Lennon and Yoko Ono. This is evident through the extensive surveillance and harassment, and the attempt to evict the couple from the US. Also well documented are the efforts by those on the ideological right-wing to silence Lennon’s outspokenness on political issues, and to assist and cooperate with agencies of government hostile to them.

What also comes out of looking at the volume of declassified material on John Lennon is that US Intel seemed to have exaggerated Lennon’s importance, or his potential effect as a pied piper. When one looks at Intelligence complicity in the deaths of those who were lesser known, nationally or internationally, (e.g., Fred Hampton--disturbing image warning), then one has to say that a number of shadowy groups had sufficient motivation to kill Lennon.

By the time the Senate Hearings on MK-ULTRA concluded in 1977, the public would learn that controlling someone to the point where he or she could carry out assassinations was something that the CIA actively researched. According to a number of physicians, some of whom (Dr. George Estabrooks, Dr. Martin Orne) actually assisted Intel, that degree of control was certainly attainable. Dr. Estabrooks coyly claimed to have actually created a Manchurian Candidate. Dr. Orne filmed his own hypnosis experiments in which a normal young woman with no pronounced hostilities attempted to cause a complete stranger severe harm, possibly even death, by throwing what she believed to be pure sulfuric acid onto him. Dr. Herbert Spiegel showed NBC News that programming someone to hate a stranger (even a fictional one) enough to kill them was certainly possible. Note too that much of the above experiments and demonstrations took place before 1970. One could certainly imagine improved techniques by 1980. Thus, it seems reasonable that CIA would have the means to carry out a Manchurian Candidate scenario in 1980, especially if the person programmed were not the shooter, but a patsy.

Chapman had numerous opportunities to come into contact with the type of mental health professionals who could have indoctrinated (if not brainwashed) him. From his rather odd trip to Beirut, to his time at Ft. Chaffee, to his residence in Hawaii near a large naval installation which could have provided a number of intelligence-trained shrinks.

The point where the Manchurian Candidate scenario falls down and goes “boom” is in the area of connectivity, or agency. It’s one thing to say someone might have programmed Chapman. It’s a different thing to provide evidence for that statement. After all, what names can we associate with Chapman? Who would have given the final go-ahead? CIA? FBI? ONI? DIA? The Wackenhut Corporation, or some other private security and clandestine ops firm, on behalf of Republicans paving the way for the so-called “Reagan Revolution”?

We could conjecture that he met with someone who supervised his programming, but we cannot give a name. Journalist Janice Wolf’s investigation found that Mark had seen a shrink in the months before the murder, and that this shrink instructed him to act out his fantasies. Did the doctor have a connection to Intel? Hell if we know. She didn’t give a name; neither did Bresler. We can speculate that Chapman’s boyhood pal Dana Reeves might have acted as a handler, but in order to prove that we would have to demonstrate a strong connection that he acted under the orders of someone in intelligence. As a deputy sheriff, Reeves might have had some connection to the Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units (LEIU), an intelligence network that allows local police departments to swap information back and forth along secure channels. The LEIU, as do local police departments, have a history and reputation of cooperating with the CIA.

Then again, Reeves might not have had reason to bother with police intelligence. We cannot know for certain. And since we really don’t know what actually happened to Chapman in Beirut, Arkansas or Hawaii, we can not really connect his putative programming to these places.

Given the past intelligence interest in John Lennon, the surveillance, the harassment, the death threats and so on, the known (and unknown) methods that could coerce an individual's behavior (what the late Dr. Margaret Singer referred to as “thought reform”), and Lt. O'Connor's observation of Chapman, I wouldn’t blame anyone for regarding Lennon’s murder as suspicious. In fact, I agree. I think it’s suspicious. But suspicion and proof are not interchangeable concepts.

A putative second gunman near the service elevator door would clarify the issue considerably, if one could prove his existence. The notion isn’t farfetched when looking at descriptions of the wounds themselves, the actions of the principals, the types of bullets used, and the weapon. And it seems more likely that someone would more readily rely on an amateur (nice guy at that) to act as a patsy, not an actual (or primary) shooter. The hypothesis is consistent with the description of the physical evidence, while the notion that Chapman shot Lennon is hard to reconcile with the angle of the shots, and the behavior of his hollow-point ammo, which according to the most accepted version of this story entered Lennon from the side opposite the shooter, and ricocheted and exited, contrary to its design. It would seem more consistent with the shattered glass door of the lobby (observed by Joseph Many and Officer Stephen Spiro) than the most accepted version.

Then there are other things. Not to accuse Jose Perdomo, but his actions certainly raise an eyebrow or two. Usually, if a shooter disarms himself and takes out a book to wait for police, you don’t tell him to go away. Usually. It’s a bit of a problem that other people handled the gun between Chapman’s laydown, and the retrieval by police. Chapman’s own hazy memory confounds things even further, but the characterization of his feeling after the shooting as relief (as if someone lifted a heavy weight off his shoulders), and his state, as witnessed by Lt. O’Connor, is consistent with the premise that someone manipulated Chapman into shooting at Lennon.

All these things are grounds for suspicion. None of it is proof to even a preponderance standard. After all, we don’t have Lennon’s body to examine. We thus can't determine exactly where the bullets came from, how many pieces they broke into, or if they could have hit bones that caused the wicked bounces that shattered the door. We don’t know if the shooting was really point-blank. The only way we know of these things as possibilities is because of the recollection of an attending doctor, Frank Veteran, the information filled out by pathologist Dr. Elliot Gross on the death certificate, and the witness statements. Dr. Gross’ observations are valid, but vague. Dr. Veteran could have exaggerated or misremembered Lennon’s injuries. Witnesses often confuse what they see when situations happen quickly, and from out of the blue.

Typically, my attitude in each of these series is that we can always find out more about controversies. This, then, is one of those rare occasions where we most likely won’t know much more than we already do. Because of the fact that the police grounded their investigation early, and because the DA’s office asked them to only look for evidence along certain lines, we will perhaps always have questions about that night in December 1980.

Yet, I can think of something that might one day expand our knowledge of the case, and answer some of the questions raised by myself and other writers: a detailed review of the autopsy, notes and all. That would narrow down the potential paths the bullets took, clarify which wounds were those of exit or entry, help establish gunshot residue (GSR) patterns. It might also answer questions no one has conceived of yet.

In New York state, detailed autopsy reports aren’t available to the public, but rather to the next-of-kin. This ensures that we can enjoy at least some modicum of privacy, even in death. This became quite a local scandal in New York a few years ago when someone leaked bits of Dr. Robert Atkins autopsy report and posted it on the Internet. The documentary evidence showed that the doctor, famed for inventing the low-starch diet, was substantially overweight (if memory serves, about 270 lbs.) and had recently suffered a heart attack--which, when you consider Atkins’ life and work, might seem embarrassing.

I have no personal relationship to John Lennon’s next-of-kin, namely Yoko Ono. But her son, Sean, does. It wouldn’t be beyond the pale if Ono showed him portions of the autopsy report, or at least discussed it with him once he had reached an appropriate age. Sean's vehemence demonstrates his confidence in the assertion that some aspect of US Intel assassinated his father. Talking to New Yorker writer David Sapsted, the younger Lennon said:
He was a counterculture revolutionary, and the government takes that kind of shit really seriously historically....

[My father] was dangerous to the government. If he had said, ‘Bomb the White House tomorrow,’ there would have been 10,000 people who would have done it. These pacifist revolutionaries are historically killed by the government....

Anybody who thinks that Mark Chapman was just some crazy guy who killed my dad for his personal interests, is insane. Or very naive. Or hasn't thought about it clearly. It was in the best interests of the United States to have my dad killed. Definitely.
Not so curiously, Sapsted took a subtly snide view of Sean’s “conspiracy theory,” pointing out that Lennon had dropped out of Columbia University, and stating “New York Police Department’s exhaustive investigation into John Lennon’s killing found no evidence that the disturbed Chapman did not act alone.” Of course Sapsted, like Lennon biographer Albert Goldman, characterized the initial investigation in a way flatly contradicted by the case’s lead detective.

Granted, Lennon Jr., like the FBI, might have seriously overestimated the power actually wielded by his father. But if he’s had access to information that few others have seen, the man just might know something we don’t.

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18 Comments:

  • At 8:00 AM, Blogger Charles Gramlich said…

    Of course, it may be in the best interest of Sean Lennon to keep stirring the pot. The plot always seems to thicken.

     
  • At 9:38 AM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    True, Charles. It thickens and sickens.

    I can think of a nubmer of reasons why the Lennons would be loath to release that information. And it could be as you say, that Sean Lennon has many reasons to bring to mind the memory of his dad, in whatever means available.

     
  • At 12:12 AM, Blogger Devin said…

    Fascinating article as always Xdell!! I didn't have a chance to really read the whole thing as close as I would like - will come back the next time i am online to do that - in my heart - and of course we all know where this will get one in a court of law:-) I have always felt that Lennon's death had something to do with the up and coming "Reagan Revolution" but my personal animosity and hatred of that whole crowd may be getting in the way of any logical thinking I possess (which isnt much) all the best in the world to you my friend!!!!!!!!!

     
  • At 10:26 AM, Anonymous Exiles800 said…

    Well, we shouldn't be left to guess these things in any free democracy. Nope, offhand dismissals should never be allowed to replace real investigation. The way a free system works is any bureaucratic skipping of valid forensic investigation - for whatever reason, automatically forfeits the right to their assumed conclusions and therefore automatically validates any necessarily-involved suspicions. A defendant is innocent until proven guilty, but evidence investigations work the opposite way and guilt is assumed until reasonably disproven. We never reached that phase with Chapman so the authorities must forfeit any right to their verdict (or whatever you call that floppy limbo they present).

    There's a clear pattern of non-interest by the authorities in determining many critical forensic points here. So much so that it represents obstruction of justice to an incriminating degree. Until Chapman undergoes hypnotic examination to see if there's any traceable programming still in there, or Chapman is interviewed with the direct purpose of establishing when he shot and how the shots hit Lennon, we can assume the worst as a matter of responsibility. If we had a legitimate government Chapman would be court-ordered to undergo hypnosis to investigate the most critical unanswered questions. In my mind all you have to do is see who fights that and why to know the low-down on this.

    In my mind there's absolutely no doubt Mark David Chapman was a programmed assassin for the CIA. Just look at what they've done recently...

     
  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger foam said…

    what a summary! and i'm forming no opinion whatsoever.

     
  • At 1:21 AM, Blogger Ray said…

    X.Dell:

    So your conclusions are inconclusive. Just like too many things in life.

    Some people who believe in the Mega-Conspiracy are trying to remove the disturbing gray with a black and white POV. The either/or syndrome. Die-hard Democrat or rabid Republican? You have to be one or the other.

    Sometimes life is messy, vague. And while I believe there is Truth (in the objective sense, independent of all POVs), sometimes the facts, details of what really happened, are denied to the seekers.

     
  • At 8:52 AM, Anonymous Exiles800 said…

    In my opinion when the strong possibility of shadow government assassination exists in a country where its very self-definition precludes such things it is rather averse to the point of hypocritical to aspire to the safe sanctuary of critical objectivity when true compliance to American ideals doesn't afford that luxury. There's definitely a conflict here between what this country says it is and the authorities using their insider power from within the system to avoid any real investigation. There's much more at stake here than just the murder of a rock 'n roll star peace activist. So to suggest the lack of evidence is a comfortable position in light of this is to commit a serious sin against many things including John Lennon. It's very clear this case wasn't adequately investigated while there was a means of more adequately investigating nearby. I don't buy the manpower excuse. The New York City Police Department is pretty big and other resources could be loaned to fill-in any gaps in the investigation. An American public that buys the first easy excuses and accepts them is one that falls short of what America is supposed to be, in my opinion. This is exactly where the spooks gain their advantage. The authorities act in a pompous manner and will never admit the possibility of Manchurian Candidate murder. So the necessary means by which to investigate such a thing are never organized. Not good enough. And I still haven't seen any reason not to hypnotize Chapman to find out.

    Furthermore there's precedent for this leading to very real suspicion. If you go to my entry under the Hendrix murder you'll see there was clear evidence for covert murder that was deliberately covered-up even to this day. So it isn't as far out there and unjustified as some might think. The onus is clearly on the investigators and not those who are demanding justice.

     
  • At 11:09 AM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Devin, I was thinking of that, the synchronicity of Lennon's death and the assassination attempt on Reagan. Both could have been essential in paving the way towards a Reagan Revolution. In that regard, the reason behind Lennon's murder would be obvious. Perhaps the reason behind the attempted murder of Reagan would be to install Bush Sr. into the White House, with the spectre of Reagan's hard line rhetoric (and putative martyrdom) fueling the neo-con takeover that much faster, without interference from Reagan himself (who could have easily headed more towards the center). A lot of people said that Reagan wasn't really the same after the shooting, and afterwards, was kinda vacant from his own presidency. Perhaps that's why thee were no future attempts. They got what they wanted.

    Bob Woodward wrote about an incident in Veil where President-Elect Reagan and Bush were being briefed by an official in French Intel. The DGSE man warned Reagan not to trust the CIA. I don't know how closely Reagan listened to that, but former DCI Bush was sitting right next to him. I'm sure he heard it.

    Foam, it doesn't really have an enigmatic feel so much as the realization that information wasn't suppressed after the fact, but during the investigation itself.

    Ray, I agree. This particular case isn't black and white precisely because we were denied much of the information that usually accompanies events of this type, even (or especially) in cases where the decedent isn't famous. While that in itself is mighty suspicious, there's not much more I or anyone else can say about this without further information. These are the issues of the case, and that's where they presently stand.

     
  • At 11:10 AM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Exiles, you're making so many issues, that I'll address them one by one.

    (1) You write, "...we shouldn't be left to guess these things in any free democracy." Actually, 'll go you one better. We shouldn't have to second guess these things in a free democracy. After all, we've had a parade of lone nuts taking out politically or ideologically motivated individuals during our history for muddled personal reasons. That in itself is far-fetched. But now, it's to the point where it becomes the knee-jerk explanation for just about every event of this type.

    Problem is, these things tend to expose, as they do here, the weaknesses within the public's right to govern itself. We have legitimate suspicion that something larger than Chapman murdered Lennon because of what the latter represented. Problem was, that aspect of government charged with finding such things out either didn't find (who knows--did someone on O'Connor's team suppress anything?) or never collected that information. There's a reason for public mistrust in authority, namely the failure to adequately address these issues.

    (2) I understand your frustration, but it's a mistake to assume too much based on a lack of evidence. For example, it's easy to say that the US (or US/UK) government murdered Lennon. But there are other (forgive the term) suspects that aren't the government, but who wield influence over it. There are also private firms, stacked with former Intel personnel, who could have pulled a clandestine assassination off. Moreover these could have been hired by anyone. Then too, it's possible (note, I didn't say probable) that the missing evidence would only affirm the official or quasi-official stories.

    (3) I don't think hypnosis would hurt. But I would be more interested in how Chapman scored on an Hypnosis Induction Profile (HIP) test. Were he a four or under, that wouldn't preclude him from being a Manchurian Candidate. But a five (such as Sirhan scored) would add more fuel to the fire.

    As for the hypnosis process itself, it could help some things, but it could also lead to wild goose chases or nowhere. It's not a panacea. Moreover, I could imagine an attorney arguing against court-ordered hypnosis on Fifth Ammendment grounds against potential self-incrimination. So I'm not even sure if it would be legal to order such a test. If you know any attorneys, that could be something to ask them.

     
  • At 11:10 AM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    (4) The rift between American idealism and American actions is something that we've long known about, especially when it comes to espionage and black operations. It's documented in a number of places--from the Church Committee to the more recent disclosures of personal wiretapping. Moreover, as many African-Americans could tell you, the lofty ideals of America in the abstract were denied--sometimes by law, sometimes by custom, and sometimes by economic--to them. These things are nothing new.

    I think sometimes that people have a fairly idealistic notion of what America is. I see it as a worthy abstract principle that we have to achieve actively. We've never been there, but we have to struggle to make these things a reality. The first step, obviously, is to point out the schism between what we are and what we say we are, damned the excuses.

    (5) I don't suggest that the lack of evidence is a comfortable position.

    I would support your right to believe anything you want to with respect to Lennon's murder or anything else. But I don't see any good out of fabricating evidence to make a case, and that's pretty much what you would have to do to get the answers you seek (minus, of course, the autopsy report, which in itself is a wildcard since we don't know what's in it). And based on what we have, and the weaknesses of what we have, we have to be honest when we say we don't know for certain. All we can say is that this is suspicious for so many reasons on so many levels.

    (6) You see the lack of manpower as an excuse for grounding the case. Okay. That's understandable. Yet, there are often a lot of things that go their merry way along the path of least resistance. Chapman essentially gave the DA's office everything they needed to convict him. When insanity became an issue, he gave them even more by changing his insanity plea to guilty. While you, I and Lt. O'Connor can talk about a grounded case, anyone else could say, "Well yeah, other resources could have been pooled from other precincts, but it wasn't needed. They had their guy."

    Things don't always work out as they do on Law and Order. That's reality. While you're right, it was no excuse for the police not to investigate other angles, it doesn't prove the existence of programming or a second shooter. It just makes the case suspicious.

    One of the reasons I chose to post about Lennon's assasinations is because I'd seen a lot on TV (including the two movies) that presented such an open and shut case of crazy boogeyman losing all control and shooting a famous figure. That's assumed a priori. I felt, however, that the issue has never been really that black or white. I don't see people who believe in the possibility of Lennon being murdered by the CIA as cranks, or mental cases or stupid. There are legitimate reasons to think that this quasi-official explanaion we've been handed for the past thirty years has loads of problems with it, and isn't true.

    At the same time, I have to point out that we don't have the evidence (at least yet) to say definitly what happened. If you want to say that you believe unequivocally that the CIA murdered John Lennon, that's your business entirely. Between Drs. Bresler, Weiner, Mae Brussell and myself, we can give you a lot of ammo to make that case. But we can't provide the killer round. That's been taken from the gun.

    (7) That the onus of proof is on those entrusted with such matters, not on the public, I can't argue. I also think that the public has the right to disbelieve the official pronouncements made by officials if they fly in the face of reason (e.g., "magic bullets"). Brussell herself firmly believed this, and dedicated her life to showing reason for disbelief.

     
  • At 9:13 AM, Blogger Middle Ditch said…

    Lordy! So much to read! The comments alone will keep me busy for hours! I'll be back.

    And is it me or are the word verifications longer? This one ....... bytylevate

     
  • At 1:33 AM, Blogger SJ said…

    Are we done yet ? :)

     
  • At 9:44 AM, Anonymous Exiles800 said…

    Well, whether there are other suspects, like secret right-wing organizations or covert death squads, the way it works is that since government has taken so much power in its FBI and other agencies it is therefore responsible for those other forces whether they like it or not. We are still a democracy run by the people no matter how much they try to intimidate you with bureaucratic power. If such groups exist then government authorities are responsible for their doings whether connected or not. But let's be frank here, when you get to that level many of the players are one in the same and can only reach that level by having the same training and background. They know who each other are. I feel they are used like a third world death squad. Shadow fascists of the type Lennon was against.

    My total guess is Chapman was a hybrid on the hypnosis scale. He was probably a low scorer because of his obesessive tendencies but mixed that with high susceptibility because of his gregariousness. That would explain his pattern of not shooting Lennon until he was alone.

    The legal implications of court-ordered hypnosis should be re-examined to adjust legal rights to modern conditions. If the ability of dark powers exists to hypnotize assassins then law needs to be adjusted to deal with it. The legal quandary here is not the rights of the accused being violated but the law and public not being able to defend themselves against depraved victimization by abnormal means. As you can see with the Lennon case those who do such evil things do so with the full expectation and protection of failure in the law. This is a pure violation of Constitution because it gains favor for pro-government groups against the individual. It creates the situation where there is very good reason for further investigation that the government then declines to its advantage. The idea of an involuntary shadow government "suicide bomber" is one whose evil proportions and their affect on American democracy need not be explained.

    My main problem with Lennon's assassination is it matches CIA's modus operandi perfectly. If you look at their record and what they have done, what happened to Lennon fits the tab perfectly. If you place CIA's template over the Lennon assassination the purpose and method dovetails right in place - as does the government non-investigation. So much so that they should be explaining why it wasn't them instead of people trying to explain why it was. If it wasn't them then I'm the Catcher In The Rye...

     
  • At 7:47 PM, Anonymous Bluejay Young said…

    Hypnosis might not do it. It's completely possible to tell lies and make up all kinds of stuff while under hypnosis.

    That said, I'm absolutely convinced it was dirty pool, and some day the whole truth will come out and be known to all.

     
  • At 2:27 AM, Blogger SJ said…

    The funny thing is I read Catcher in the rye without much background on the controversies and I didn't really see it as that radical. There are much more "dangerous" books. I guess certain people found the book "convenient".

     
  • At 12:50 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Well, Monique, what can I say? Birds gotta fly; fish gotta swim; writers gotta write.

    Exiles, (1) bureaucracy gets a bad rap, but in fact it is one of the most basic protections that the public has that the government will at least listen to thier voice. Totalitarian and fascistic governments are quite efficient, by comparison, because they move at the whim of personal will. By design, American government is drawn upon a concept of checks and balances.

    (2) The ability of Chpman to go into a trance state would really require a competent assessment from a person qualify to proctor a Hypnosis Induction Profile (HIP) test. It's not something that armchair psychoanalysis can easily diagnose.

    (3) Hypnosis isn't a panacea. It's fallibility is about the same as normal, everyday memory. So it wouldn't really yield reliable answers, and could just about send us off on a number of goose chases. Because of that, and because of the right not to incriminate oneself, I would not be the one to suggest that a court-ordered hypnosis by force of Chapman is a good idea. I find your argument here less than compelling, especially in context with all the other abrogations of civil rights we've recently indured in the name of public safety.

    Bluejay Young, I certainly understand your point of view. Perhaps if we keep hammering away at it, that day will come--whatever the truth turns out to be. I'd agree we probably haven' seen it clearly yet.

    SJ, many highschoolers here read Catcher in the Rye because, like you, they don't see much of controversy, other than the sexuality (and those school boards who find it offensive, they simply select other books for their students to read).

    The point here is not that the content is shocking, or even that bizarre. It's the interpretation of it by both Chapman and John Hinckley that that most people find strange. That it has now garnered this association with either assassination (or assassination attempts) is something explored by other media, e.g., the Mel Gibson/Julia Roberts movie, Conspiracy Theory.

     
  • At 10:29 AM, Anonymous Exiles800 said…

    1) Except there are very few examples lately of any true checks and balances. The best and most conspicuous example of recent government checks and balances is serious government offenses on a world scale being treated with the lines "Move on. It's in the past." That's an insult and basically a destruction of our credibility as a nation. In my view water has found its level and the check and balance system has been neutralized by the means of corrupting all sides. And that includes critical bureaucracies like the Supreme Court that just reintroduced pre-Civil War pro-slavery-era rulings. The simple answer to that is what check and balance bureaucracy investigated the possible hypnotizing of Chapman? (A: None)

    2) Spiegel from the 'RFK Must Die' movie - or someone of his qualification would do.

    3) You're not serious! Let's weigh the specified warrant for the hypnosis of Chapman and its legal, individual rights impacts vs the impact of potentially having a shadow fascist government that can hypnotize patsies and pick-off political opponents at will. I think the most extreme violation of rights would be Chapman's right to not be viciously programmed (if that was the case). The hypnosis, would, in that case, be a reinforcing of individual rights, including Lennon's, and the public's ability to defend itself against this possible (and highly likely) threat.

    If you create a profile for CIA and its actions overseas and look at it in terms of whom they kill, why, and how and then apply it to the strange parade of lone nut killings of highly conspicuous controversial American figures it has a scary similarity. It would be nearly perfect except government death squads would be replaced with strange lone nuts. For example remove all the evidence and theories for both the JFK and RFK killings and ask yourself if their deaths, considering what they stood for and the controversy over it with mainstream powers, could have happened by pure chance? The answer is the timing and circumstances alone are very remote just by plain statistical probability. And the fact CIA openly discusses decapitation operations to create "CHAOS" doesn't hurt either.

     
  • At 3:38 PM, Blogger X. Dell said…

    Exiles, when it comes to the issue of civil rights, I'm deadly serious--especially when the instrument in question (hypnosis) has factors of unreliability that are well known.

    As to everything else, you are entitled to your opinion.

     

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